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Thursday, April 18, 2024

Pre Columbian Horses in America

I have been tempted many times in the past to write regarding this topic, however for several reasons I have avoided it. One in particular is in that throughout my studies of the last 35 years or so, the information I had gathered concerning this topic I have found to be much more entailed than I could ever reproduce, the authors of which and articles they wrote are incredible and cannot be dismissed but only in that pure ignorance will permit. I will provide links to these very informative articles at the end. 

In one such article it is mentioned that “most historians, geographers, and anthropologists, the American Indians knew nothing about horses until the 17th century. Political, religious, and economic motives were behind the emergence of theories that the New World was “isolated” from the Old World and that Indians didn’t have any horses until after Columbus. Earlier reports of Indian horses were dismissed by academic leaders as being groundless “fables.” Claims by elders of the Sioux, Nez Perce, Chippewa, and Pawnee Tribes that their ancestors “always had horses” were cast aside by the academic authorities as being “wishful thinking.”


Several powerful movements combined to crush and stifle claims that ancestors of the Plains Indians had horses and “horse culture” for thousands of years.(R. T. Fitz)

I would very much so agree that oppression of truth was due to Political, religious, and economic motives, Someone please explain to me in words that make sense as to why it matters that Horses were in America long before Columbus? Why did it matter that it be unknown the existence of Parrot and Pumpkin before Columbus when in fact the two words are of Greek origin? How did the Greeks know what they were? Dont get me started on corn. 

I believe one of the primary reasons some things are carefully hushed is control, these powerful movements mentioned above do not want you to know that there have been several cultures who not only ventured upon this continent but has had mass colonization at times why does it matter whether we call them Gadianton/Greeks, Romans or Pueblo people? And now instead of Anasazi, Nephites or Greeks, we now have Ancestral Pueblo. 

There is another reason, a religious one... that few venture to mention… It is well know by religious bashers of the past that these strange people called Mormons, within the pages of their Book of Mormon, mentions that the people within had horses… But lets stop there for a minute and expose the motive… in 1828 or so, two men you might find interesting by the names of Ephraim G. Squire and John W. Powell, yes the very same two men who high jacked the Smithsonian Institute for their own purposes and for those in which pulled their strings in an effort to keep the past hidden… Well it may be interesting to note that Mr. Squire and Mr, Powell whose fathers were Methodist Ministers in Palmyra New York at the time in which Joseph Smith started preaching the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ. As a result the majority of the towns people who were Methodist joined the organization of the Mormons leaving but a few to attend the ministers now empty churches.

I hold as truth that this event carried on to the ministers sons, and as part of the curriculum of Smithsonian, ANYHING which gives credibility to the story of the Book of Mormon is to be destroyed or hidden away, I could go on with numerous examples… In these modern times, anything in which give credence to the Bible or even God is suppressed. 

I suppose this would be a very good reason to keep hidden the existence of horses prior to Columbus. We can’t have the public knowing that people of India have colonized this continent… successfully I might add… the first Americans, the ancestors of those whom we know as Altai Mongolian, Chinese, Hebrews, Greeks and Romans not to mention pre-Columbian Welsh, Portuguese and Norsemen otherwise known as Vikings, another misused word of the past. With an exception of a few, most of the pre mentioned cultures were here looking for the same place, some received their information from the Imperial Library of Constantinople, before the controllers burn it… or from the Library of Alexandria before they burned it… or even the ancient libraries of India before the Greeks over ran it. 

I have a theory, man has been building boats and crossing the seas ever since that guy Noah did… and likely before… 

The articles I mentioned do not give any information regarding a well respected Archaeologist and Anthropologist and professor at University of New Mexico who held many titles… Frank C. Hibben and his research and discoveries of horses in New Mexico and Alaska, instead of acknowledging his work, those of the powerful movements waited until he died in 2002 and then began to destroy his reputation casting doubt on his discoveries when he can no longer defend himself.

Sandia Cave New Mexico WIKI

The cave was discovered in 1936. The site was excavated in the 1930s and 1940s by Frank Hibben while at the University of New Mexico. He claimed to have found the oldest known evidence of humans in the new world, and found a new culture, whose artifacts resembled those of western Europeans, strongly suggesting the first inhabitants of the Americas were Europeans and not far eastern Asiatic as traditionally told. For these reasons the site became so important in the public's mind it was made into a National Historic Landmark in 1961. (Then follows the smere…)


Frozen Muck Alaska, shorter report

“In Alaska thick frozen deposits of soil, boulder, plant and animal exist, commonly known as "muck". Prof. Frank C. Hibben of the University of New Mexico described these deposits: "In many places, Alaskan muck is packed with animal bones and debris in trainload lots. Bones of mammoths, mastodons, several kind of bison, horses, wolves, bears and lions tell a story of a faunal population. Within this frozen mass lie the twisted parts of animals and trees intermingled with lenses of ice and layers of peat and mosses. It looks as though in the midst of some cataclysmic catastrophe of ten thousand years ago the whole Alaskan world of living animals and plants was suddenly frozen in mid-motion like a grim charade twisted and torn trees are piled in splintered masses  at least four considerable layers of volcanic ash may be traced in these deposits, although they are extremely warped and distorted"


This suggests that although volcanoes were erupting, other forces were required to dismember these animals - with mighty floods and hurricanes being the most likely.


"Fossil bones are astonishingly abundant in frozen ground of Alaska, but articulated bones are scarce, and complete skeletons, except for rodents that died in their burrows, are almost unknown. The dispersal of the bones is as striking as their abundance and indicates general destruction of soft parts prior to burial."


Meanwhile in Siberia, mammoths were being wiped out in a similar manner. Massive graveyards of their remains have been mined for ivory tusks. It has been estimated that more than half a million tons of mammoth tusks were buried along Siberia's Arctic coastline, which equates to roughly five million mammoths. Several dozen frozen mammoth carcasses have been found with the flesh still intact. They died suddenly. In their stomachs can be found undigested vegetation, including grass, bluebells, wild beans and buttercups, food typically available in the summer. Scientists examining them have concluded that three of the mammoths died of asphyxiation. The cause of death of the others has not been determined.


For a copy of the more in depth article and other very compelling articles click the link below…


Frozen Muck Frank C. Hibben in depth article

Fusang Discovery of America

Indian Horses BEFORE Columbus By R.T. Fitch

Native Americans used horses far earlier than historians had believed BY SAUL ELBEIN

Yes world, there were horses in Native culture before the settlers came BY Yvette Running Horse Collin





Wednesday, April 10, 2024

Revolt of the Pueblo Indians (1680-1682)

 Original Post September 4 2015

Revised and Expanded

In 1680 the Pueblo Indians rose up in a revolt against the oppressing and cruel Spaniard, the whole thing took them by surprise of which I wonder why? The Spanish apparently did not understand that to win someone over and convert them to your so called truth, by coercion, oppression, cruelty, genocide, and under the threat of death is not the way to convince others of the "goodness" of your God or religion... I don't suspect the Indigenous was any different than I in this.... I would have rather died fighting than follow a God such as theirs... 

I have many Mexican and Native friends who are descendants of those who took part in this revolt…Many of them are miraculously Catholic…  My favorite question to them is this… “Would you ever accept or follow a religion in which was forced upon you by threat of death, oppressions, beatings, profound labors inflicted upon you and harsh punishments” they all respond the same looking appalledat the idea that I even asked… “Of course not, never! or absolutely not! Are among the responses… and then I follow up with a request… please tell me how you became Catholic.

After the Revolt, an inquisition was held to learn of the origins and reasons for the revolt, why would these strange people revolt against these murderous peoples God? Strangely enough, those who adhere to the religion to this day, forget that it was by threat of death and force, that they belong today...  It would seem the more Natives that were questioned, but not without being reminded of those who were hung for lying... the name Pope' (Poh-pey) kept coming up. Although it was Pope' that the finger kept pointing to, the stories slightly varied in more or less detail. It would seem clear to me that the accusations made against him claiming he communicates with the devil, and is a sorcerer... this sounds like the accusations of a forced religion calling the kettle black, Pope' in my mind, was righteous man... 


Popé or Po Pay, Tewa Religious leader

Leader of the 1680 Revolt against the sometimes horrific atrocities and abominations of the Spanish Catholic oppression, 


But why did he do it?


In one of the many coercive interviews... one stands out in great detail concerning how the revolt came about... this came with the forced testimony of the Indian prisoner, Pedro Naranjo of San Felipe of the Queres Nation. Although there were many testimonies forced, the following is of most interest… and in which I find another of those things, which caused my jaw to drop in wonder… again, lets see how many of you can see the implication… 

Ps... an estufa is an stove, oven, or furnace... or sometimes a Kiva.


Find the Nugget in this 333 year old document. 

I have mentioned many times that I have a collection of resource material that you could not read in a life time… among the documents is what I call 180 Exploration Documents… which is actually 173 pdf files. These are not scans of the original documents otherwise they would all be in Spanish… These are the translated documents of many of the Spanish, (and other), Expeditions into the new world translated in the late 1800’s and dating from as early as 1000 AD documents such as The Saga of Eric the Red, Vinland History of the Flat Island Book, Adam of Bremen’s Descriptio Insularum Aquilonis, the Icelandic Annals, and several Spanish Explorations... these are the original scans of those works translated. 

The reason I have acquire this seeming large collection of documents over the years is because of my nature to dig… and dig deep, but don’t hand me a shovel. Occasionally I find a nugget in the mysteries of life, and those nuggets bring me all the joy and excitement that some of you might imagine if and when you found a 1 pound nugget of gold. What is a nugget? Simply put, it is an potential evidence of some possible truth. 

The following excerpt is from Revolt of the Pueblo Indians (1680-1682) at a time when the Spanish Catholic was the Natives oppressor and in my estimation some of the most blinded self justifying people in history. You will note that anything the victors writes about in this excerpt that did not conform or agree with the Spanish forced religion, was referred to using words such as evil, demon, atrocities, devil etc… remember who is doing the writing and think about the evil, wicked and inhumane things they were doing to the Native American of this continent, all in the name of their false Gods... 

Look for the Nugget, you may not know or understand why it is a nugget to me, some may see it and some may not, some will see it and not know it for the nugget it is… You might find your own nugget, one I have not noticed… this is shared simply to show how open the mind needs to be, and how attentive you must be in seeking truths. If you don’t find a nugget, at least enjoy this small piece of history from about 1682, or 333 years ago. Spoiler... Think Nephite, 3 times...

If you want the entire translated collection of 173 documents full of little nuggets, please make a $20 donation and provide an email address and I will send you a link for download.


Find the Nugget in this exact text from the pdf document.


Revolt of the Pueblo Indians (1680-1682)
Told from the perspective of the Spanish Catholic


Declaration o f Pedro Naranjo of the Queres Nation.

[Place of the Rio del Norte, December 19, 1681.]

In the said plaza de armas on the said day, month, and year, for the prosecution of the judicial proceedings of this case his lordship caused to appear before him an Indian prisoner named Pedro Naranjo, a native of the pueblo of San Felipe, of the Queres nation, who was captured in the advance and attack upon the pueblo of La Isleta. He makes himself understood very well in the Castilian language and speaks his mother tongue and the Tegua. He took the oath in due legal form in the name of God, our Lord, and a sign of the cross, under charge of which he promised to tell the truth concerning what he knows and as he might be questioned, and having understood the seriousness of the oath and so signified through the interpreters, he spoke as indicated by the contents of the autos.

Asked whether he knows the reason or motives which the Indians of this kingdom had for rebelling, forsaking the law of God and obedience to his Majesty, and committing such grave and atrocious crimes, and who were the leaders and principal movers, and by whom and how it was ordered; and why they burned the images, temples, crosses, rosaries, and things of divine worship, committing such atrocities as killing priests, Spaniards, women, and children, and the rest that he might know touching the question, he said that since the government of Senor General Hernando Ugarte y la Concha they have planned to rebel on various occasions through conspiracies of the Indian sorcerers, and that although in some pueblos the messages were accepted, in other parts they would not agree to it; and that it is true that during the government of the said senor general seven or eight Indians were hanged for this same cause, whereupon the unrest subsided. Some time thereafter they [the conspirators] sent from the pueblo of Los Taos through the pueblos of the custodia two deerskins with some pictures on them signifying conspiracy after their manner, in order to convoke the people to a new rebellion, and the said deerskins passed to the province of Moqui, where they refused to accept them. The pact which they had been forming ceased for the time being, but they always kept in their hearts the desire to carry it out, so as to live as they are living today.


Finally, in the past years, at the summons of an Indian named Popé who is said to have communication with the devil, it happened that in an estufa of the pueblo of Los Taos there appeared to the said Popé three figures of Indians who never came out of the estufa. They gave the said Popé to understand that they were going underground to the lake of Copala. He saw these figures emit fire from all the extremities of their bodies, and that one of them was called Caudi, another Tilini, and the other Tleume; and these three beings spoke to the said Popé, who was in hiding from the secretary, Francisco Xavier, who wished to punish him as a sorcerer. They told him to make a cord of maguey fiber and tie some knots in it which would signify the number of days that they must wait before the rebellion. He said that the cord was passed through all the pueblos of the kingdom so that the ones which agreed to it [the rebellion] might untie one knot in sign of obedience, and by the other knots they would know the days which were lacking; and this was to be done on pain of death to those who refused to agree to it. As a sign of agreement and notice of having concurred in the treason and perfidy they were to send up smoke signals to that effect in each one of the pueblos singly. The said cord was taken from pueblo to pueblo by the swiftest youths under the penalty of death if they revealed the secret. Everything being thus arranged, two days before the time set for its execution, because his lordship had learned of it and had imprisoned two Indian accomplices from the pueblo of Tesuque, it was carried out prematurely that night, because it seemed to them that they were now discovered; and they killed religious, Spaniards, women, and children.


This being done, it was proclaimed in all the pueblos that everyone in common should obey the commands of their father whom they did not know, which would be given through El Caydi or El Pope. This was heard by Alonso Catiti, who came to the pueblo of this declarant to say that everyone must unite to go to the villa to kill the governor and the Spaniards who had remained with him, and that he who did not obey would, on their return, be beheaded; and in fear of this they agreed to it. Finally the senor governor and those who were with him escaped from the siege, and later this declarant saw that as soon as the Spaniards had left the kingdom an order came from the said Indian, Popé, in which he commanded all the Indians to break the lands and enlarge their cultivated fields, saying that now they were as they had been in ancient times, free from the labor they had performed for the religious and the Spaniards, who could not now be alive. He said that this is the legitimate cause and the reason they had for rebelling, because they had always desired to live as they had when they came out of the lake of Copala. Thus he replies to the question.

Asked for what reason they so blindly burned the images, temples, crosses, and other things of divine worship, he stated that the said Indian, Popé, came down in person, and with him El Saca and El Chato from the pueblo of Los Taos, and other captains and leaders and many people who were in his train, and he ordered in all the pueblos through which he passed that they instantly break up and burn the images of the holy Christ, the Virgin Mary and the other saints, the crosses, and everything pertaining to Christianity, and that they burn the temples, break up the bells, and separate from the wives whom God had given them in marriage and take those whom they desired. In order to take away their baptismal names, the water, and the holy oils, they were to plunge into the rivers and wash themselves with amole, which is a root native to the country, washing even their clothing, with the understanding that there would thus be taken from them the character of the holy sacraments. They did this, and also many other things which he does not recall, given to understand that this mandate had come from the Caydi and the other two who emitted fire from their extremities in the said estufa of Taos, and that they thereby returned to the state of their antiquity, as when they came from the lake of Copala; that this was the better life and the one they desired, because the God of the Spaniards was worth nothing and theirs was very strong, the Spaniard’s God being rotten wood.


These things were observed and obeyed by all except some who, moved by the zeal of Christians, opposed it, and such persons the said Popé caused to be killed immediately. He saw to it that they at once erected and rebuilt their houses of idolatry which they call estufas, and made very ugly masks in imitation of the devil in order to dance the dance of the cacina; and he said likewise that the devil had given them to understand that living thus in accordance with the law of their ancestors, they would harvest a great deal of maize, many beans, a great abundance of cotton, calabashes, and very large watermelons and cantaloupes; and that they could erect their houses and enjoy abundant health and leisure. As he has said, the people were very much pleased, living at their ease in this life of their antiquity, which was the chief cause of their falling into such laxity. Following what has already been stated, in order to terrorize them further and cause them to observe the diabolical commands, there came to them a pronouncement from the three demons already described, and from El Pope, to the effect that he who might still keep in his heart a regard for the priests, the governor, and the Spaniards would be known from his unclean face and clothes, and would be punished. And he stated that the said four persons stopped at nothing to have their commands obeyed. Thus he replies to the question.

Asked what arrangements and plans they had made for the contingency of the Spaniards’ return, he said that what he knows concerning the question is that they were always saying they would have to fight to the death, for they do not wish to live in any other way than they are living at present; and the demons in the estufa of Taos had given them to understand that as soon as the Spaniards began to move toward this kingdom they would warn them so that they might unite, and none of them would be caught. He having been questioned further and repeatedly touching the case, he said that he has nothing more to say except that they should be always on the alert, because the said Indians were continually planning to follow the Spaniards and fight with them by night, in order to drive off the horses and catch them afoot, although they might have to follow them for many leagues. What he has said is the truth, and what happened, on the word of a Christian who confesses his guilt. He said that he has come to the pueblos through fear to lead in. idolatrous dances, in which he greatly fears in his heart that he may have offended God, and that now having been absolved and returned to the fold of the church, he has spoken the truth in everything he has been asked. His declaration being read to him, he affirmed and ratified all of it. He declared himself to be eighty years of age, and he signed it with his lordship and the interpreters and assisting witnesses, before me, the secretary.
ANTONIO DE OTERMIN (witness) ; PEDRO NARANJO; NICOLAS RODRIGUEZ REY (witness) ; JUAN LUCERO DE GODOY (witness) ; JUAN RUIZ DE CASARES (witness) ; PEDRO DE LEIVA (witness) ; SEBASTIAN DE HERRERA (witness ; JUAN DE NORIEGA GARCIA (witness) ; LUIS DE GRANILLO (witness) ; JUAN DE LUNA Y PADILLA (witness) . Before me, FRANCISCO XAVIER, secretary of government and war (witness) .



From the wonders of WIKI;


In 1598 Juan de Oñate led 129 soldiers and 10 Franciscan priests, plus a large number of women, children, servants, slaves, and livestock, into the Rio Grande valley of New Mexico. There were at the time approximately 40,000 Pueblo Native Americans inhabiting the region. Oñate put down a revolt at Acoma Pueblo by killing and enslaving hundreds of the Native Americans and sentencing all men 25 or older to have a foot cut off. A troop of seventy soldiers was dispatched to the cliff-top Pueblo of Acoma in 1599 to punish the Pueblo for the killing of twelve Spanish soldiers by a band of warriors. After two days of warfare, almost 600 Acoma men, women, and children were seized and enslaved, with many being legally convicted and disfigured as punishment for crimes against the Spanish Crown. The survivors fled as the Pueblo was destroyed by fire. The harshness with which the Acomas were punished left an unforgettable sense of Spanish cruelty. The Acoma Massacre would instill fear of and anger at the Spanish in the region for years to come. Franciscan missionaries were assigned to several of the Pueblo towns to Christianize the natives. 

Spanish colonial policies in the 1500s regarding the humane treatment of native citizens were often ignored on the northern frontier. With the establishment of the first permanent colonial settlement in 1598, the Pueblos were forced to provide tribute to the colonists in the form of labor, ground corn, and textiles. Encomiendas were soon established by colonists along the Rio Grande, restricting Pueblo access to fertile farmlands and water supplies and placing a heavy burden upon Pueblo labor.

Tuesday, April 9, 2024

Friday, April 5, 2024

Reminiscing Memories of the Past...

 Original Post from Sept 7th 2015

Aaah, the good old days... a quick stroll down memory lane...

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If only I could tell, and you could believe...
as it looked before a certain dumb shit added rocks to it...
We know who it was...

My friend and colleague Todd (Darin) Anderson 
sitting on the Sacred Mine of the Utes

What one carved heart looks like after 239 years
Now gone due to the fire at Moon Lake

Turn around, go 120 degrees for one league, age of carving unknown, 
Aspen dated by professional in the field, to be just under 500 years old.

My friends and colleagues Allan Lowe, and Shane Green, 
July of 2003

Could Black Hawk write? One self proclaimed expert thought so...

A mine of unknown origin discovered by foresters many years ago...

If I were to tell, you would not believe...

Taking a closer look along the old trail up South Fork

My son standing on... well... something of ancient origins...

An old mine dump near the Red Ledges, 
presumed to be of the late 1800's

A old cryptic carving on an old dead tree near the Red Ledges

Sometimes I just can't help but to see the little things before our eyes...

Meaning of this blaze? I know it was meant to be seen from a 1/2 mile away... now resting at the Moon Lake Lodge

Continue, 1 league ahead or 2 1/2 miles (follow the trail)
Now gone due to the fire at Moon Lake

Another blaze? Marking what?
Now gone due to the fire at Moon Lake

(Paraphrased From Thomas Rhoades)... There is a formation in which geologist would not think to look, if you can find that formation, you can follow it from mine, to mine to mine... from one end of the Uintas to the other...

I don't know... I am told this tree is worth 
thousands to wood workers..

You tell me...

A couple of old smelters... Used by Antonio de Espejo 440 years ago...