Original Post September 4 2015
Revised and Expanded
In 1680 the Pueblo Indians rose up in a revolt against the oppressing and cruel Spaniard, the whole thing took them by surprise of which I wonder why? The Spanish apparently did not understand that to win someone over and convert them to your so called truth, by coercion, oppression, cruelty, genocide, and under the threat of death is not the way to convince others of the "goodness" of your God or religion... I don't suspect the Indigenous was any different than I in this.... I would have rather died fighting than follow a God such as theirs...
I have many Mexican and Native friends who are descendants of those who took part in this revolt…Many of them are miraculously Catholic… My favorite question to them is this… “Would you ever accept or follow a religion in which was forced upon you by threat of death, oppressions, beatings, profound labors inflicted upon you and harsh punishments” they all respond the same looking appalledat the idea that I even asked… “Of course not, never! or absolutely not! Are among the responses… and then I follow up with a request… please tell me how you became Catholic.
After the Revolt, an inquisition was held
to learn of the origins and reasons for the revolt, why would these strange
people revolt against these murderous peoples God? Strangely enough, those who
adhere to the religion to this day, forget that it was by threat of death and
force, that they belong today... It would seem the more Natives that were
questioned, but not without being reminded of those who were hung for lying...
the name Pope' (Poh-pey) kept coming up. Although it was Pope' that the
finger kept pointing to, the stories slightly varied in more or less detail. It
would seem clear to me that the accusations made against him claiming he
communicates with the devil, and is a sorcerer... this sounds like the
accusations of a forced religion calling the kettle black, Pope' in my mind,
was righteous man...
Popé or Po Pay, Tewa
Religious leader
Leader of the 1680 Revolt against the sometimes
horrific atrocities and abominations of the Spanish Catholic oppression,
But why did he do it?
In one of the many coercive interviews... one stands out in great detail concerning how the revolt came about... this came with the forced testimony of the Indian prisoner, Pedro Naranjo of San Felipe of the Queres Nation. Although there were many testimonies forced, the following is of most interest… and in which I find another of those things, which caused my jaw to drop in wonder… again, lets see how many of you can see the implication…
Ps... an estufa is an stove, oven, or furnace... or sometimes a Kiva.
Find the Nugget in this 333 year old document.
I have mentioned many times that I have a collection of resource material that you could not read in a life time… among the documents is what I call 180 Exploration Documents… which is actually 173 pdf files. These are not scans of the original documents otherwise they would all be in Spanish… These are the translated documents of many of the Spanish, (and other), Expeditions into the new world translated in the late 1800’s and dating from as early as 1000 AD documents such as The Saga of Eric the Red, Vinland History of the Flat Island Book, Adam of Bremen’s Descriptio Insularum Aquilonis, the Icelandic Annals, and several Spanish Explorations... these are the original scans of those works translated.
The reason I have acquire this seeming large collection of documents over the years is because of my nature to dig… and dig deep, but don’t hand me a shovel. Occasionally I find a nugget in the mysteries of life, and those nuggets bring me all the joy and excitement that some of you might imagine if and when you found a 1 pound nugget of gold. What is a nugget? Simply put, it is an potential evidence of some possible truth.
The following excerpt is from Revolt of the Pueblo Indians (1680-1682) at a time when the Spanish Catholic was the Natives oppressor and in my estimation some of the most blinded self justifying people in history. You will note that anything the victors writes about in this excerpt that did not conform or agree with the Spanish forced religion, was referred to using words such as evil, demon, atrocities, devil etc… remember who is doing the writing and think about the evil, wicked and inhumane things they were doing to the Native American of this continent, all in the name of their false Gods...
Look for the Nugget, you may not know or understand why it is a nugget to me, some may see it and some may not, some will see it and not know it for the nugget it is… You might find your own nugget, one I have not noticed… this is shared simply to show how open the mind needs to be, and how attentive you must be in seeking truths. If you don’t find a nugget, at least enjoy this small piece of history from about 1682, or 333 years ago. Spoiler... Think Nephite, 3 times...
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Find the Nugget in this exact text from
the pdf document.
Revolt of the
Told from the perspective of the Spanish Catholic
Declaration o f Pedro Naranjo of the
Queres Nation.
[Place of the
In the said plaza de armas on the said
day, month, and year, for the prosecution of the judicial proceedings of this
case his lordship caused to appear before him an Indian prisoner named Pedro
Naranjo, a native of the pueblo of San Felipe, of the Queres nation, who was
captured in the advance and attack upon the pueblo of La Isleta. He makes
himself understood very well in the Castilian language and speaks his mother
tongue and the Tegua. He took the oath in due legal form in the name of God,
our Lord, and a sign of the cross, under charge of which he promised to tell
the truth concerning what he knows and as he might be questioned, and having
understood the seriousness of the oath and so signified through the
interpreters, he spoke as indicated by the contents of the autos.
Asked whether he knows the reason or motives which the Indians of this kingdom
had for rebelling, forsaking the law of God and obedience to his Majesty, and
committing such grave and atrocious crimes, and who were the leaders and
principal movers, and by whom and how it was ordered; and why they burned the
images, temples, crosses, rosaries, and things of divine worship, committing
such atrocities as killing priests, Spaniards, women, and children, and the
rest that he might know touching the question, he said that since the
government of Senor General Hernando Ugarte y la Concha they have planned to
rebel on various occasions through conspiracies of the Indian sorcerers, and
that although in some pueblos the messages were accepted, in other parts they
would not agree to it; and that it is true that during the government of the
said senor general seven or eight Indians were hanged for this same cause,
whereupon the unrest subsided. Some time thereafter they [the conspirators]
sent from the pueblo of Los Taos through the pueblos of the custodia two
deerskins with some pictures on them signifying conspiracy after their manner,
in order to convoke the people to a new rebellion, and the said deerskins
passed to the
Finally,
in the past years, at the summons of an Indian named Popé who is said to have
communication with the devil, it happened that in an estufa of the pueblo of
Los Taos there appeared to the said Popé three figures of Indians who never
came out of the estufa. They gave the said Popé to understand that they were
going underground to the
This
being done, it was proclaimed in all the pueblos that everyone in common should
obey the commands of their father whom they did not know, which would be given
through El Caydi or El Pope. This was heard by Alonso Catiti, who came to the
pueblo of this declarant to say that everyone must unite to go to the villa to
kill the governor and the Spaniards who had remained with him, and that he who
did not obey would, on their return, be beheaded; and in fear of this they
agreed to it. Finally the senor governor and those who were with him escaped
from the siege, and later this declarant saw that as soon as the Spaniards had
left the kingdom an order came from the said Indian, Popé, in which he
commanded all the Indians to break the lands and enlarge their cultivated
fields, saying that now they were as they had been in ancient times, free from
the labor they had performed for the religious and the Spaniards, who could not
now be alive. He said that this is the legitimate cause and the reason they had
for rebelling, because they had always desired to live as they had when they
came out of the
Asked for what reason they so blindly burned the images, temples, crosses, and
other things of divine worship, he stated that the said Indian, Popé, came down
in person, and with him El Saca and El Chato from the pueblo of Los Taos, and
other captains and leaders and many people who were in his train, and he
ordered in all the pueblos through which he passed that they instantly break up
and burn the images of the holy Christ, the Virgin Mary and the other saints,
the crosses, and everything pertaining to Christianity, and that they burn the
temples, break up the bells, and separate from the wives whom God had given
them in marriage and take those whom they desired. In order to take away their
baptismal names, the water, and the holy oils, they were to plunge into the
rivers and wash themselves with amole, which is a root native to the country,
washing even their clothing, with the understanding that there would thus be
taken from them the character of the holy sacraments. They did this, and also
many other things which he does not recall, given to understand that this
mandate had come from the Caydi and the other two who emitted fire from their
extremities in the said estufa of Taos, and that they thereby returned to the
state of their antiquity, as when they came from the lake of Copala; that this
was the better life and the one they desired, because the God of the Spaniards
was worth nothing and theirs was very strong, the Spaniard’s God being rotten
wood.
These
things were observed and obeyed by all except some who, moved by the zeal of
Christians, opposed it, and such persons the said Popé caused to be killed
immediately. He saw to it that they at once erected and rebuilt their houses of
idolatry which they call estufas, and made very ugly masks in imitation of the
devil in order to dance the dance of the cacina; and he said likewise that the
devil had given them to understand that living thus in accordance with the law
of their ancestors, they would harvest a great deal of maize, many beans, a
great abundance of cotton, calabashes, and very large watermelons and
cantaloupes; and that they could erect their houses and enjoy abundant health
and leisure. As he has said, the people were very much pleased, living at their
ease in this life of their antiquity, which was the chief cause of their
falling into such laxity. Following what has already been stated, in order to
terrorize them further and cause them to observe the diabolical commands, there
came to them a pronouncement from the three demons already described, and from
El Pope, to the effect that he who might still keep in his heart a regard for
the priests, the governor, and the Spaniards would be known from his unclean
face and clothes, and would be punished. And he stated that the said four
persons stopped at nothing to have their commands obeyed. Thus he replies to
the question.
Asked what arrangements and plans they had made for the contingency of the
Spaniards’ return, he said that what he knows concerning the question is that
they were always saying they would have to fight to the death, for they do not
wish to live in any other way than they are living at present; and the demons
in the estufa of Taos had given them to understand that as soon as the
Spaniards began to move toward this kingdom they would warn them so that they
might unite, and none of them would be caught. He having been questioned
further and repeatedly touching the case, he said that he has nothing more to
say except that they should be always on the alert, because the said Indians
were continually planning to follow the Spaniards and fight with them by night,
in order to drive off the horses and catch them afoot, although they might have
to follow them for many leagues. What he has said is the truth, and what
happened, on the word of a Christian who confesses his guilt. He said that he
has come to the pueblos through fear to lead in. idolatrous dances, in which he
greatly fears in his heart that he may have offended God, and that now having
been absolved and returned to the fold of the church, he has spoken the truth
in everything he has been asked. His declaration being read to him, he affirmed
and ratified all of it. He declared himself to be eighty years of age, and he
signed it with his lordship and the interpreters and assisting witnesses,
before me, the secretary. ANTONIO
DE OTERMIN (witness) ; PEDRO NARANJO; NICOLAS RODRIGUEZ REY (witness) ; JUAN
LUCERO DE GODOY (witness) ; JUAN RUIZ DE CASARES (witness) ; PEDRO DE LEIVA
(witness) ; SEBASTIAN DE HERRERA (witness ; JUAN DE NORIEGA GARCIA (witness) ;
LUIS DE GRANILLO (witness) ; JUAN DE LUNA Y PADILLA (witness) . Before
me, FRANCISCO XAVIER, secretary of government and war (witness) .
From the wonders of WIKI;
In 1598 Juan de Oñate led 129
soldiers and 10 Franciscan priests, plus a large number of women,
children, servants, slaves, and livestock, into the
Spanish colonial policies in the 1500s
regarding the humane treatment of native citizens were often ignored on the
northern frontier. With the establishment of the first permanent colonial
settlement in 1598, the
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