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Tuesday, January 3, 2023

The Clovis Solutrean connection Expanded Article

Original Article Dec 26h 2012

Expanded Article


The Clovis Fluted Point was first found and recognized in 1929 and named for the site in which it was found, Clovis New Mexico. The Clovis is associated with what science calls the Clovis Culture and they date this period at 13,500 years ago attributed to what they call the Paleo-Indian.


The Fluted Clovis Spear Head


Now we know that the people who are responsible for these artifacts could not possibly have been here 13,500 years ago by reasons covered in the Book Nephite North and concerning the Radio Metric Guessing game and the reliability of it along with other reasons found in other sections of the book supporting a young earth belief. So we are left to look at the evidence from a different perspective as we know that the people responsible arrived here about 600 BC. There are only three significant groups  of people considered, who came to this land and established colonies if you exclude the modern day Gentile which includes the Roman Colonies. One whose arrival was about 2400 BC,(Jaredite)  another some time prior to 900 BC (People of India) and the latter of 600 BC (Hebrew), the latter is likely the creators of the Clovis and Solutrean technology. Why would I NOT suspect the people who came here in 2400BC as being responsible for the Clovis and fluted points? The primary reason is that the tools don’t match the size of the people who would have made them, they were an average height of 9 feet and another is that at the end of their existence there would have been copper and brass tools found with the Paleo tools, but there are many other connecting reasons as well. Why not the people who came prior to 900 AD? Mainly because the location is wrong, there is no evidence they were in the Eastern states. The suspect people arrived on this continent very near or at the Delmarva Peninsula, in about 600 BC. These people likely migrated up the Susquehanna or Delaware River where the Lehigh river meets the Delaware and established themselves in what is today called Lehigh County, it is said its name sake is from a very old Indian word. These people some would call the Adena Culture, others would call them Nephites or Lamentites. 

As I skim through all the information on the internet today pertaining to the Clovis we find still, people arguing about who first discovered America, I have the answer, It was God, so why can’t we stop with the pride and just accept the fact that some man was the first here on this continent and that man was Adam, call him white, black, yellow or pink if you choose and mold him into your agenda, but this is a fact and regardless of the evidences, this will be known in the end and as I have said before, this was approximately 6,000 years ago. Prior to Adam, there was no death on this planet in its present creation. 

So, if man did not come into existence until 6,000 years ago, when were these Paleo-Indians coming here to make the Fluted and or Clovis points? I have already explained the many reasons in Nephite North as to why the Radio Carbon Guessing game just doesn’t work and the fallacy of an Ice Age let alone a second one, so what have we to go on? Facts? what a novel idea! 

It is a fact that someone made them, it is a fact that they did it some time in the past and it is a fact that they were made on this continent. What color their skin was, is not an issue because frankly I don’t care, do you? 

The Clovis information has come a long way since 1929, many sites have been discovered across this continent and every time a location was discovered that seemed to support the land bridge theory or 4.5 Billion years old earth and evolution, you would hear about it if you were the kind who listens for it but we never did. There are many things about this Clovis you didn’t know. 

Clovis points can be found from the West to the East and from the North to the South and the Clovis technology did not just stop at some point in the past never to be made again. Clovis arrowheads were made long after the crucifixion. If you were the indigenous of this land living here 1500 years ago and you found a cache of Clovis points, are you going to use them? Or will you just throw them away and park you butt on a rock some place and make your own, Your Way? Would you learn from what you found or cast them to the ground as some out dated method you simply could not accept? This is the reason why Clovis is spread all over the Americas, but there is one thing I can agree with and it is, where you find the highest concentration Clovis/Fluted sites, is likely the place of first inhabitance on this land with respect to those whom it pertains to. 

In recent years, a very sharp man in my humble opinion,  by the name of Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institute no less, gave a lecture at Gustavus Aldophus College, Saint Peter, Minnesota of which you can view on Youtube (The Blue Eyed Indian), where in he explains some very interesting information pertaining to Clovis. This mentioned video is now gone from Youtube, however Dennis’s presentations continue and you can see one of the latest at the same college here…


In spite of the fact that Mr. Stanford has been sucked into the 4.5 Billion Year old earth theory giving erroneous dates based on theCarbon 14 Guessing game, Mr. Stanford shows facts concerning Clovis and Solutrean technology which the majority with his level of expertise likely would not. I am not surprised to find that according to Mr. Stanford and the evidence he shows, that there are more Clovis Sites on the Delmarva Peninsula in Delaware and Maryland than from the Rocky Mountains west. What better place to find such a thing than at the very place that a certain people first landed and first inhabited the Americas in 600 BC?  And they came from the Iberian Peninsula carrying the Haplo Group X DNA! But some one was already here… 

In Mr. Stanford’s lecture he makes a definitive connection with the Solutrean Culture of Spain and France, a culture thought to have existed 21,000 to 17,000 years ago and disappearing around 15,000 years ago. Gee, I wonder where they went. Mr. Stanford shows what can only be Solutrean tools (Pre Clovis) found at numerous sites on the Delmarva Peninsula, at a slightly deeper level from where Clovis is normally found and in comparison it would appear this is where the people once located in France and Spain disappeared to. Could the people referred to as the Adena Culture carrying the Haplogroup X DNA have left this area of Spain in 600 BC? Absolutely.

Regardless, if in fact the Solutrean Culture and the Clovis Culture are one and the same people, they were not the first Americans. Why is it we do not find similar evidence of the first Americans? The People of Japeth or whom some call Jaredites? The answer is simple, copper and brass deteriorate…. 

I will give the reader a reminder in comparing the Haplogroup X distribution map from the book Nephite North and that of the Clovis/Solutrean Map below. Compare to Solutrean and Clovis maps.


Haplogroup X Distribution



What are the chances that these two places of origins and first inhabitance could be in the same places and yet to date we still have no connection to Siberia whether linguistic, or by artifact and yet those stubborn prideful men of science still refuse to believe in a God and turn to his scribes rather than Darwin. Why not just create an ice bridge from Europe to New England with a 3rd ice age? Is it any less ridiculous than the Bering hypothesis? My thanks goes out to Dennis Stanford for the incredible and undisputable evidence he and his colleagues have presented, but even with all of the evidence he has brought forth with the use of the erroneous dates given, I am left wondering who this mans God is? Darwin or the God of Abraham, regardless, Thank You. 

In the following article from FoxNews.com titled European Seal Hunters may have been the first Americans, it seems those responsible for it are trying desperately to cast doubt on the hypothesis of Dennis Stanford… 

The tools don’t match

Recent studies (but we’re not going to tell you what they are!) have suggested that the glaciers that helped form the bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska [presented as if it were a fact] began receding around 17,000 to 13,000 years ago, leaving very little chance that people walked from one continent to the other.

Also, when archaeologist Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institution places American spearheads, called Clovis points, side-by-side with Siberian points, he sees a divergence of many characteristics.


Instead, Stanford said today, Clovis points match up much closer with Solutrean style tools, which researchers date to about 19,000 years ago. This suggests that the American people making Clovis points made Solutrean points before that.

There’s just one problem with this hypothesis—Solutrean toolmakers lived in France and SpainScientists know of no land-ice bridge that spanned that entire gap. <slaps forehead> Can you say moron?


Why can’t these people get away from this land ice bridge ice age crap, haven’t they ever heard of a boat? Apparently they diminish those responsible for the Solutrean and Clovis tool to the point of it not being possible these people knew more about boats than even Dennis gives them credit for. The problem is their erroneous dates given by using the Radio Metric Guessing game.


The lost hunting party

Stanford has an idea for how humans crossed the Atlantic, though—boats. Art from that era indicates that Solutrean populations in northern Spain were hunting marine animals, such as seals, walrus, and tuna.


They may have even made their way into the floating ice chunks that unite immense harp seal populations in Canada and Europe each year. Four million seals, Stanford said, would look like a pretty good meal to hungry European hunters, who might have ventured into the ice flows much the same way that the Inuit in Alaska and Greenland do today.


Inuit use large, open hunting boats constructed from animal skins for longer trips or big hunts. These boats, called umiaq, can hold a dozen adults, as well as several children, dead seals or walruses, and even dog-sled teams. Inuit have been building these boats for thousands of years, and Stanford believes that Solutrean people may have used a similar design.


It’s possible that some groups of these hunters ventured out as far as Iceland, where they may have gotten caught up in the prevailing currents and were carried to North America.


“You get three boats loaded up like this and you would have a viable population,” Stanford said. “You could actually get a whole bunch of people washing up on Nova Scotia.”


Some scientists believe that the Solutrean peoples were responsible for much of the cave art in EuropeOpponents of Stanford’s work ask why, then, would these people stop producing art once they made it to North America?

“I don’t know,” Stanford said. “But you’re looking at a long distance inland, 100 miles or so, before they would get to caves to do art in.”


Not only is it possible the Solutreans ventured out as far as Iceland, but if they would look a little harder they just might find Solutrean sites in and around Reykjavik,

Raudhkollsstadhir and Stykkishólmur and they will eventually find this was an intentional act in establishing a trade route. These people were not the simple minded people they portray them as, they didn’t just pile into a big bowl like boat and drift until there luck panned out. They may have hunted the marine animals mentioned but when their luck was poor, they always had their gardens to turn to. As for the question asked by Stanford’s opponents regarding cave art? Perhaps they have never heard of Native American Pictographs and Petroglyphs. They will also come to know some day, these people were not necessarily Europeans by today understands but were Hebrews coming out of Jerusalem or a branch of Israel.

Solutrean hypothesis

From Wikipedia

Examples of Clovis and other Paleoindian point forms, markers of archaeological cultures in northeastern North America.


Solutrean tools, 22,000-17,000 BP, Crôt du Charnier, Solutré-Pouilly, Saône-et-LoireFrance


The Solutrean hypothesis is an alternative theory about the Settlement of the Americas, according to which peoples from Europe may have been among the earliest settlers of the American continent. The theory that is currently most widely accepted, and which is supported by genetic, linguistic and archaeological evidence, considers the American continent to have been populated from Asia either via the Bering land bridge or by sea The Solutrean hypothesis was first proposed in 1998. Its key proponents include Dennis Stanford, of the Smithsonian Institution, and Bruce Bradley, of the University of Exeter

According to this hypothesis, people associated with the Solutrean culture migrated from Ice Age Europe to North America, bringing their methods of making stone toolswith them and providing the basis for the later Clovis technology found throughout North America. The hypothesis rests upon proposed similarities between European Solutrean and Early American Clovis lithic technology. Many archaeologists have criticized the proposed similarities as too insignificant and just as likely to be due to chance as to shared origins. As one has said, "few if any archaeologists -- or, for that matter, geneticists, linguists, or physical anthropologists -- take seriously the idea of a Solutrean colonization of America."


Though the proponents cite recent archaeological findings in support of the theory, the hypothesis has generally not been well received. A recent DNA study challenges a genetic argument often made in favor of the hypothesis. The study argues against the apparently anomalous mtDNA Haplogroup X2A having migrated to the Americas via an Atlantic route. (Wiki)


Clovis/Fluted Distribution,

Compare to the Paleo (Clovis) Artifacts map and

The Haplo Group X Distribution Map


What does this all mean? It means these so called “Paleo Indians” were not here 12,800 years ago.


Concerning Chapter 7 of Nephite North, Oceanic Evidences and Oil Deposits it was this information about the Clovis/Solutrean connection that caused me to lean more towards a lower Narrow Neck location. The red dot is a prime location for arrowhead source material; it just didn’t make sense that the people would cross the upper location I had previously thought and then come south and out onto a peninsula to get their materials for Arrowheads.  I also noticed that this above map helps shed some light on where major battles may have taken place, and where they have taken place several times for a very long time. Compare the above with not only the new narrow neck location but all the previous information concerning Nephi city, Lehi Valley, the first proposed landing place and Zarahemla but not limited to.  There has also been a small source material place discovered in the extreme west end of the Oklahoma panhandle. See the two following images, the old proposed narrow neck and the new one.



If the large red dot represents a major source of flint in which much of the western arrowheads were made from it just seems the narrow neck may not have been as you see above, although both proposed narrow neck locations are plausible, the following just makes more sense given this source location and where in the obvious battles took place at its west end. But then again, the source material is where it is…. Just for notice, the above and below earth images showing the oceans in BC times is not arbitrary, it is based on cretaceous data, geologic and archeological evidence and oil/gas spot maps which can be very telling, oil exploration and drilling is almost always where there was an ancient ocean or large bodies of water. The problem with making it all come together in proper time sequence is the erroneous faulty Radio Carbon Dating system.


Cretaceous Period Map created by unknown
Notice the Narrow Neck of land

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