James Vrs James

 

In an effort to clear up some misconceptions that I had missed for some time,

This article is intended to correct statements made by myself… sometimes I just get a little anxious to share without sufficient study… oops… 

But first I wish to tell of another verification of claim found in the Black Book, Jesse James Was One of His Names. In reading through the Black Book it is made quite clear that Jesse used the alias of William A. Clark, Senator of Montana and Copper King, and this may very well be true and in my mind is true. However, I seriously doubt that during these busy years Jesse hardly if ever appeared in person as William A. Clark. This job as it is said in the Black book belonged to Jesse’s double Carl O’Haver Clark who was specifically hired by Jesse to serve him by making public appearances in Montana Utah and Arizona.

It is said in chapter 7 on page 111 I believe, the following…

A few years ago I could not verify or deny this claim, but recently I found Mr. Carl O’Haver Clark born in 1871 who had died in 1967 in Patten San Bernardino California, just outside the boundaries of Death Valley. For some time I thought the photos of William A. Clark were in fact Jesse in his older years, but something just wasn’t right. Now I could be wrong and we will hopefully find out soon as I may have found someone with pictures of Carl, and I’d bet they look just like the pictures of Carl O. Clark posing as Jesse posing as Senator Clark. I often wonder why Jesse hired Carl to stand in, but Jesse was much to busy in Hereford Texas posing as the “elegant Captain Harrison Trow,” the very man who went down in history as the man who Identified the body of Jesse in 1882 when he supposedly was killed by Bob Ford. Sometimes this gets a bit confusing… Ya think?

Carl O’Haver Clark posing as Jesse posing as Senator William A. Clark

Jesse James

Now to clear up a few other things… If you have not yet read the book Jesse James was one of His names, (The Black Book) you are missing out… But I wish I had know the following BEFORE reading it, it would have made so much more sense.

Now imagine… there were 4 Jesse James’s… Dr. Jesse Howard James, who apparently plays no part,  Jesse Ballard James, (Hung by Damned Yankees in August of 1863) Jesse Robert (Dingus) James (Son of Reverend Robert James and Zerelda Cole James) and the most famous Jesse Woodson James who was Kentucky Born to Captain George S James (Brother of Rev. Robert James) and Mollie Dalton… whew…. Are you beginning to see why the history is so messed up?

 

This is All the photos I am 99% to 100% sure is 

Jesse WOODSON James 

The rest of the many photos circulating could be one of the other two, Jesse Robert or Jesse Howard James’s or just the high hopes of tin type collectors…

Frank James

Now there is Frank James… which one? Although she likely didn’t know the difference, Sarah Vaughn (James) Snow author of “This was Frank James” was writing about Missouri born Alexander Frank James (Son of Rev. Robert and Zerelda James) and (possible half brother to Jesse Robert James)  Carl O’Haver Clark is said to be Sarah’s half brother admitting he was the illegitimate son of Alexander Frank James. 

Likely

Alexander Frank James Alias Joseph Vaughn

Son of Robert and Zerelda James

However Jesse Woodson James’s full blood brother was Kentucky born, (Dr.) Sylvester Franklin (Frank) James. But I had no idea they are so few photos of him, there were only three that I could say are authentic until I found a fourth one recently. 

(Dr.) Sylvester Franklin (Frank) James

Died in 1937 in Fort Worth Texas

 

This is not Alexander Frank James son of Robert and Zerelda James.

Missouri Born Alexander Frank James died under the name of Joseph Vaughn in February of 1926 at Wayton Arkansas He was the father of Sarah Vaughn (James) Snow author of “This was Frank James” 

Ya see… in them days nobody but those who were family or friends of the James family would have known what they looked like, those who never saw them or hardly knew them didn’t have any idea what Frank and Jesse Looked like. 

Perhaps this is why so many photo tin types are popping up, some of them might be one of the other Jesse’s or the other Frank? I don’t know. There are so many who have contacted me in recent years who are convinced they are the descendants of their Grandfather Jesse Woodson James, but so far, I only know two… 

In 1915 Jesse killed off his two most important and used aliases with in six days of each other. Captain Harrison Trow on the 24^th of February 1925 and Senator William A. Clark March 2^nd 1925. Jesse Wooson James Born April 17^th 1844, Died age 107 in Granbury Texas August 15^th 1951. 

Jesse Robert (Dingus) James died in Florida sometime mid 1950’s.

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Confused yet?

Who's Who? 2 Photo Games

  Is the man on the left, (Top Strip) the same man as on the right?

What about the man on the bottom left? Is he the same man as on the bottom right?

Photos Taken roughly 30 to 35 years apart

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Jesse Woodsen James-Captain Harrison Trow J Frank Dalton

Over 12 million in Gold Coin

 

Photo (Courtesy of the Library of Congress)

George Armstrong Custer

with his captured Confederate friend from West Point Academy

James B. Washington.

 

The following story may be familiar to some, and again I ask please if you know the location please be silent about it. Again there are some who just don’t need to know. 

In March of 1862, the Union and the Confederacy had been playing cat and mouse for almost a year since the Father of Captain John James fired the first shot that was heard around the world. 9 months later the North was on assignment to deliver a payroll to various out posts. 

With the North unsuspecting, the North and the South locked horns in a battle again. It went on for a couple of days and at one point during the battle one of the local Indian tribes attacked both the North and the South, history doesn’t tell this part of the story but for the first time and likely the only, the South and the North actually joined forces to fight off the native people. 

It is said that the North was carrying about two months payroll for near 3000 men, average pay at that time was $20 per month. Privates were paid about $13 dollars a month up to a Captains pay at $115 per month. Another report says the payroll consisted of $125,000; there is no indication of whether it was $10 or $20 gold pieces. It is likely that silver was not present in the payroll due to weight issues. If it were gold only it would be about 520 lbs. 

During the heat of the battle Captain John James come across the payroll wagon of the North he says he seized the payroll and dumped in a hole with no witnesses. Resources with personal knowledge say no one ever went back to recover it, even though a few had every opportunity, they did not mainly because they didn’t need it. In 1946 one individual with personal knowledge said, As far as I know it has never been retrieved, and if it had been recovered, it wasn’t reported. 

To this day, the hole still exists and about 30 to 40 feet down is likely over 12 million in gold and that’s the actual gold value. The coins are no doubt fresh minted coins. Collector value could be near 3 times that amount and in some cases certain 20 dollar gold pieces can fetch as much as $50,000 EACH. 

But all good tales have a down side… first and foremost if we are to be honest with ourselves, we must accept that there is only a 50% chance it is still there, it either is, or it isn’t, simple as that.

Now there are the land issues, how does one gain the right to the hole? Guaranteed the Fed is well aware of the missing payroll and if one were to find it and make it known, they would be all over it like feds on Mr. Taylor. Make a deal with them? LMAO! I doubt even if a deal was made, a deal would be honored. Besides, as far as I am concerned it doesn’t belong to the Fed. 

I am not posting this for discussion; I am posting it to share. Equipment is not what is needed on this project, what is needed in this case, is a very creative mind time and I am sure some expense.

Dead Spaniards and bags of Corn

 

The following story is for “Mike” G…. it is the only way I could think of to say… Thank you… 

If any of you recognize the following story, I ask that you please keep the details of place names quiet, I know the story has been passed around a bit but humor me please. There are details which were relayed to me which has never been told or put to pen… and those details I will keep to myself at this time.

One late spring day in about 1926 or so, Bill, Thomas, Elizabeth and Leah, 4 high school kids decided to skip out on school for the day and go on an adventure to one of their favorite camping areas next to the old mountain lake. They all jumped in Georges old Model T and headed up the winding bumpy dirt road. After about an hour or so, they topped the mountain with the trees thinning out and revealing a beautiful lake surrounded by trees on one side and a beautiful meadow on the other. 

They parked the old Model T at the North end of the lake as always, grabbed their things and headed out to explore… Heading across the meadow and towards the thick trees ahead, they entered the thick forest again but this time on foot. They stayed fairly close to each other because of the dense forest and just beyond entering the thick trees the mountainside begins to drop down into the canyon below, progressively getting steeper as you go and getting more difficult to wander the further you go and so they stayed up near the top. Spreading out a bit and far enough they could not see Thomas, the other three heard Thomas hollering come over here! Come see what I found! The other 3 kids hurried towards Thomas’s voice and soon he came into view. He was standing next to a very large tree and it had a large branch with what appeared to be an old sort of block and tackle hanging from the branch.

 

An old mine shaft

 

Thomas had to step in front of the others as the came closer as they did not see the partially hidden 6 foot square hole in the ground just below the block and tackle. As they all stood starring in wonder at the hole and the tackle, it is likely they knew exactly what it was… Thomas suddenly perks up and says with excitement, Hey, I want to down go in!

Seeing clearly it was a old likely Spanish mine shaft and tossing in a small rock or two showed it was pretty deep. Bill perks up and says I have rope up in the car? After retrieving the rope and tying it securely around Thomas the other 3 slowly lowered him into the old shaft. I have no idea what he used for light, but after a few minutes and at the end of the rope which was about 60 feet, Suddenly Thomas starts hollering from below, GET ME OUT! PULL ME UP! PULL ME UP! The others did their best and shortly thereafter Thomas emerges from the dark shaft, and climbs free of the hole, he gets up and struggles to remove the rope from his waste and clearly he is shaken from the unknown event. He finally cast off the rope and stomped his way all they way back to the old Model T not saying a word, he opens the door and sits down starring out the front window obviously shocked.

The others slowly approach the old T and after starring at him for a minute or so, one of the others stutters the words, Wa wa What Happened? After a moment or two Thomas pulls himself together and says…. My God!, there’s a bunch of dead Spaniards down there leaning against the wall, and they have bags of CORN all around them! Every one was silent for a time after that looking back and forth at each other… and on their way down they made a pact to never speak of it to anyone. Thomas had no desire to ever go back and never di according to Leah and Bill.

 

Handful of Corn

 

None of them spoke a word of it after that until many years later… Thomas and Elizabeth had passed away with only Bill and Leah remaining. Leah was in her 80’s I think when one day an acquaintance (a friend of mine) stopped by for an unknown purpose, this being around late 1980’s to early 1990’s. While talking about other things unrelated the conversation some how turned to old Spanish mines. Leah gained a little sparkle in her eye and asked would you like to hear a story of what happened to me and some friends in my younger years? Sure my friend responded… with that she said that she had never told the story before and she relayed the above story. When she finished she told my friend, now, just so you know I haven’t told you a phony story, I want you to go down the street to that old red brick house on the next N/E corner and go to the door and knock. An elderly gentleman will answer the door, his name is Bill, I want you to introduce yourself and tell him you just left my house and tell him that I just told you… “the story” and tell him to tell you the story and he will tell you the very same story. My friend agreed and did as she said, and Bill indeed told him the same story that Leah remembered. Bill however added to the story that he had once went back to try to find the old shaft, because he knew well and good it was not corn in those bags. He said none of the others ever returned. But he said he didn’t try very hard and he was quick to write it off feeling it was not meant for him. 

My friend never really put much effort into it having plenty to keep him busy, and after the story sat in his files for many years, on day in his elderly years, he called me up as he often did, and asked if I would be interested in perusing and old story he had… Of Course I said! And here we are today… “we” have made a few attempts to enter the old thick forest and we even believe we have found a geologic anomaly that just isn’t natural, in fact two and both fit the details not shared above. A thorough search has not yet been made and I have convinced myself of the type of equipment I need before I plan another tip and in order to find this presumed, still open 6 foot square hole in the ground. My friend has since passed away. 

This story is just one of the many that still sits with nothing being done largely because certain equipment is needed, either that or a lot of ground work which 20 years ago would not have been a problem. There is however certain aspects of this story that has it at the top of my list, some of you I know can see what that might be. I wish I could have shared the whole story but as always, there are just some who do not need to know… ;-)

I am all for the volunteer foot soldiers, but this one kicked even one of my best hikers butts, good o’l Tracey, and my other dear friend and best hiker and reliable friend has also recently passed… Steve and Todd, I’m going to miss you guys… say hello to Paul for me would ya?… until we meet again.

 

 

 

Photo Games, The Younger Brothers?

Over the years I have had several photos sent to me to ask if I thought the photo presented was Jesse James, Frank or one of the many other outlaws of the day.... nearly all so far has ended with the same results, the photo was purchased off ebay and the buyer convinces themselves that they have a legitimate photo of Jesse and Frank... There is nothing worse than those who have already made up there mind that the photo they have scored is authentic and then send it to you to get your opinion... Please people, if you are already convinced of the authenticity of your photo, please don’t send it to me just to argue with me when you get the cold hard truth.

Near a year ago a very nice lady send me an email telling me her story being the family story, and that in her grandmothers things was the letter she mentioned and supposedly a photo of Jesse and Frank posing with two of the Younger brothers, asking if I would like to see them. Of course I told her yes…. But I admit… I was excited yet I just knew that when I saw the photo she would later send, that it was going to be another ebay tintype fantasy. 

A few days later she sent a copy of the letter which I will not yet go into at this time, but when I first looked upon the very nice copy of the photo, I thought, here we go again, and just as I was about to close the photo in disappointment something said stop! And LOOK! And I did, and there they were, Jesse and Frank without any doubt whatsoever… I have revealed in previous posts portions of the photo however I have not yet revealed the entire photo of which I have very good reason. 

This morning pressing on my mind, I decided to re-read the letter, I figure beings the photo of Frank and Jesse are authentic, perhaps according to the letter and her family’s own story, it may very well be the Younger Brothers, or at least two of them. So here I am, and I am going to give it the benefit of the doubt. The two individuals min the sepia photo are the two in question said the be the two of the Younger brothers… the photo without doubt was taken most likely 1895 but could be 1896. The following Greyscale Photo is what I believe is authentic photo of the 4 brother John Younger has been inserted into the photo. 

In 1895 if History is correct... Did I just say that?... The age of the Younger brothers was as follows… 

Cole Younger supposedly born in 1844 would have been 51 in 1895

It is said that Cole was in prison at this time and after his release died in 1916. Reminder, don’t you believe a damned thing history tells you… 

Jim Younger supposedly born in 1848 would have been 47 in 1895It is said by the all knowing wonderful and oh so all knowing WIKI, that Jim committed suicide while on parole in 1902 

John Younger who is said the have been born in 1851 who would have been age 44 in 1895. Wiki Wiki say he was killed in 1874, don’t you believe it… 

Bob Younger is said to have been born in 1853, this would put Bob at age 42 in 1895 at the time the photo was taken… It is said by… well… you know… that Bob died of tuberculosis in prison in 1889 so of course he couldn’t have been there…. so it MUST be true Right?...  

With this said, I present the two photos for your scrutiny… If you have an opinion to share, please DO NOT COMMENT here at Tuscoro.com, please respond at Facebook Tuscoro.com, Tuscoro Oro or Daniel Lowe (Tuscoro) all of which you will find on Facebutt. And where you will find this post on this day, Photo Games, The Younger Brothers? Thank You. 

IF… and notice that’s a big IF… these two individuals are two of the Younger brothers, which would you think? I have my thoughts but will withhold until I get some comments or these days, some interest….

 

Sepia photo supposedly two of the Younger Brothers Taken in 1895

 

Supposed authentic photo of the 4 Younger boys

Although I would agree that Jim and Cole are good likeness candidates for the two men, I can't see the two men being the age that Jim and Cole would have to be.... my take is that the two men are NOT of the Younger Brothers.

Unless the birthdates are incorrect....

Faces from the Past

 Original Post October 2016

Over the last 30 years or so, I have investigated and gathered information from every mystery that pulled at me... many are considered a hoax by those to narrow minded to consider... I don't roll over that easily, I have always weighed the possibilities in an effort to "Prove or Disprove" which is the only way to find the truth of any given mystery...

Over the years of these topics deemed a hoax, and claimed to be proven as such, with no proof to support and with this so called proof being nothing more than what is plain to those who see.... as nothing more than a controlled decision of those who fear loosing their status, funding, or "good standing" with their peers... Truth or knowledge does not come from a paycheck, it does not come from the often barking voice of those stripped of their ability to have an original thought with "I get Paid to know!" and never has the ability to regurgitate indoctrination ever materialized into intelligence or truth.

One of the many purported claims which was slammed with the hoax factor was the Russel Burrows discovery, I for one am of the same opinion as I have concluded with the Michigan Tablets, why would anyone create so many fake artifacts? The answer the answer that often follow is always money... how convenient, yet I must admit... it is fitting. However on the other hand, why does academia, when ever faced with discoveries to incredible to fathom, always deem those things which do not fit the controlled system of Manifest Destiny, as a hoax? my answer is fear... fear of truth, what if it were true?

Regardless...  the decision is yours whether your foundation is built with facts or the whims of those who mistake intelligence with indoctrination... I will not argue with a one sided skeptic.

The following presumed artifacts were created by some one, and as you will see some are of the Burrows collection and some from a discovery ten years later some 50 miles away from the Burrows site. If in fact the following images are authentic, who were these people? I mean the clearly intended portrayed individuals found carved upon them? And there are hundreds of them.

I am puzzled at how two reported hoaxers from two different time zones and near 100 years apart could come up with what appears to be the very same image of a peculiar unknown creature of the past?

The following images are not placed here as proof of some discovery, idea or concept, they are here simply for you to observe and hopefully encourage you to remain open minded in these things, regardless of how damming the evidence may seem... the truth will come, in due time. Examples from 3 separate discoveries are below, two of which deemed by the so called experts as a hoax, the other was never reported, I wonder why?

I have placed them here simply out of wonder... Who were they? Specifically... we may never know... especially as long as those who control our history, are afraid of what the truth may be.

I don't care what the truth is, as long as it is the truth.

The First two images are from two different sites, discovered 90 years apart and are about 1200 miles away from each other... It seems clear to me, both authors had the same idea, concept or knowledge of a creature we today, do not know of... how is this possible?

Image of the Copper Plate found in Cottonwood Canyon 1916

Note the unknown creature bottom center and another top just left of center

stone discovered about 30 years ago at an undisclosed site 50 miles from the Burrows site.

This creature has been portrayed on many artifacts scattered all over this continent but because it is not understood, it is always hushed...

My departed Skeptic Ute friend Paul, two weeks prior to him leaving us, asked me if I had any photos of the Burrows Stones... I replied with yes I do and he asked to see them.

Paul was in the habit of "calling a "BS" on anything that had no evidential support, After bringing up the pictures he asked if I knew why he had never given me any flack about the Burrows Stones find, I responded with "well, now that you mention it, why haven't you? 

He proceeded to tell me of an experience he had as a kid, he told me that not far from where he grew up he was out hiking and in the distance he spotted what appeared to be a cave, hiking some distance to the location he found it was indeed a cave. He told me that at the site above the cave were strange symbols or hieroglyphs which I now have copies, he entered into the cave to what he described as an altar about waste high for an adult, on the altar was many stones, stones which he said were exactly as the Burrows Stones bearing the same images and writings... He told me he gathered up a handful of them and took them to his grandfather, upon holding them out to show his grandfather, his grandfather sharply slapped them from his hands and scolded him and told him, "you gather those stones up and put them right back where you found them, that's the cave of death! and you stay away from there!"... Paul did as he was told, but before passing in 2002, he shared with me the location.

This location that Paul found and held these stones is on Ute reservation property and is located some 1200 miles from where Russel Burrows would reportedly discover the same type of stones, 20 years later. Paul told me the stones are identical in every design... how is this possible? Paul was one of the most forthright honest and humble people I ever knew...