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Saturday, July 4, 2015

Spanish Expedition anyone? Filming Professionals sought after.

Alvarado Expedition and Filming Project/Proposal

WE ARE STILL LOOKING for an ameteur to proffessional interested party to film segmants of this hunt over a five day period. I have the editing program and will be putting together promotional videos for the future.
We have at least 7 interested parties however we still need to confirm.
We expect a dropout or two, so we still have room for a few more... LET ME KNOW ASAP, this hunt is scedualed for the last week of August.

The Location of the Hunt has changed due to inability to find an available outfitter. The upside is however the new loction and target area has much more potential and is an area that even drew in Mel Fisher for near 2 years, we believe we have found the evidences of what he was looking for and this will be in part our goal on this trip to learn more of it. Because it will be an easier place to get to, there are two other sites nearby that we will also be attempting to locate. We know they are there and now it is time to go from the maps and find the clues on the ground. Participation in this hunt, will be a contribution of $1400 for the 5 day trip, Most accomidations PROVIDED. Questions? tuscoro@gmail.com

Original Message....

The following is NOT a matter of fact and is for generating interest and evaluating feasibility.

Have you always wanted to go on an actual Spanish treasure hunt?
Well, this may be your opportunity. We have been kicking this around for about 1 year. Due to an over abundance of projects we have decided to open up a bit and give others the opportunity of the same thrill of the hunt we have enjoyed… We are looking for a few good people to personally participate in two unique possible upcoming expeditions.  We promise nothing but a very good time and a rare opportunity at a chance to discover signs and symbols of the past, the mines they lead to, and possibly a discovery of a cache of the past left behind for unknown reasons.

Below we are proposing two specific hunts, each is different in difficulty, time and cost to participate.

Want to know more?  Read on.

About 18 years ago an interesting site was discovered in the northern mountains of Utah. The site showed all the signs of a possible battle between the Spaniards and most likely Indians. It is apparent however that some of the Spaniards escaped, as you will see in the following words. This likely took place in about 1815 as evidenced by certain things found at the site marked with the date in question. This is not to say however it could not have been at a later date. For the purposes of this document, we will call the expedition of the past, the Alvarado family expedition, the name of which was discovered on certain items unknown to me until just a few days ago.

At this site was discovered among other things, a certain map engraved onto a religious object. It had always been assumed that the map most likely showed the general area in which it was found. At one point many years after the discovery, I was asked to evaluate the map and see if I could find its true applicable location.

One thing that puzzled me about the map, is in that I have NEVER seen any historic map such as this, and made by a member of the exploring party, that did not orient the map with the top to represent north.  Or, if this was not the case, even 10 degrees off of north, a “compass rose” or some indication of north would be on the map. This map was silent on its orientation.

With this thought I proceeded anyway knowing I could be wrong as to the orientation.  However, I did find a satisfactory fit for the map. But, the problem that always bothered me was it didn’t fit with respect to the expected orientation of the map. It also puzzled me as to why at the bottom of the map it had the word “Yutas”, as I knew this was never Ute country and was in fact Shoshone territory. It wasn’t a perfect fit by any means, but this was the general location believed by us for the next five to six years.

Then, about five or six years ago a good friend and map collector gave me, copies of two maps bearing the Alvarado name. These maps were given to him by a Southern Utah Indian who received them from his father’s father etc… and they were said to have been taken from a massacre site near or in the southeastern part of Utah. The maps were in very poor condition.  At the time my friend received them, his Indian friend carefully and exactly recreated them on newer paper for preservation, with the old ones being put away again in a safe place.

Several other maps have surfaced over the past few years that show the same sites on the Alvarado maps from different expeditions and time frames. Together we have in our possession four maps all from different sources and time frames and three different expeditions showing the same things with a noticeable progression in.... well... lets say, "things"

There are two primary cache sites found upon the maps as well as significant notable mines.  One of the cache sites I would tend to steer away from due to rumor that it is considered sacred to the Ute.  It is a place they hold sacred due to it being a place where they say several ancestors are buried.  Out of respect for the Utes, I will not go there without permission and/or support from the Utes. The other site however seems to be fair game, and I am planning an expedition to discover the mine locations that are said to be rich mines. To go to this site, we will need an outfitter.  I have two excellent outfitters in mind for this expedition, to cater to our needs including food transportation, pack horses/mules and camping accommodations.

I am looking for as many as six serious interested parties to participate in and help fund the operation and as little as one. If you cannot be in this expedition and simply be satisfied with being a part of the thrill of a actual Spanish treasure hunt, with a possible bonus outcome, this is likely not for you.

Although we know that the information is genuine, finding the clues on location is the fun and most exciting and important part of the outing, but there is no guarantee we will find the mines or a cache.   This is not rehearsed.  This will be my first time in the area. But please know, I usually find what I seek and I don’t give up.

On this trip you can expect to learn some of our best kept secrets as our goal is to succeed. Because the original information will be shared, it will be necessary to enter into a non-disclosure, non-competition agreement, and provide a liability release. The cost for this expedition is undetermined at this time.  Again, this once in a lifetime trip is primarily for the purpose of learning and discovery.
Please be advised, this trip is not for the meek, Interested parties should consider any health issues and a spirit of adventure and discovery are needed.

This will be at least a 5 day outfitting trip with all your needs provided for, including some transportation. If you would like to be a part of this, please, contact me at tuscoro@gmail.com.
Please bear in mind that interested parties must meet certain character and physical criteria, to be able to hike and directly participate in the hunt and work in harmony with the rest of the expedition party.

We hope this article has generated interest on your part, and we want to hear from you to help determine the feasibility of the project. We intend to make some of these expeditions a filmed expedition and hope to entice professionals to come along and record it; however if not, we will use our own means and do the best we can.

Expeditions  of this type could range from $200 - $1800 per person for a 3 to 5 day trip catered and or non catered.

Native American Glyph trips

We expect to offer even more affordable 1 to 3 day trips  visiting Native American Glyph sites at about $20 per day and learning the basics of interpretation of the Native American Glyphs based on the theories of Lavan Maritineau and Hosted by Daniel Lowe who has for near 30 years studied the Native Glyphs as an authentic writing system, studied of the Native Legends Oral Traditions and written Histories of the Indigenous documented by those who first encountered them. These trips participants would provide their own transportation and accommodations.

Another future planned Spanish Mine expedition…

This expedition will be a bit easier to get to.  Hence, the the cost to participate would be much less.  For this selected project, just about anyone can participate if you can operate a shovel, listen to interesting stories, sit at a camp fire and enjoy yourself.

Here’s the synopsis…

This project began some years ago while investigating a certain area we became aware of due to the surfacing of a new map…   The map we were investigating is a somewhat controversial one as it was made in 1863.  It is not of Spanish origin. The site in question is not on the map and was only found as a result of what we learned while exploring in the area as a result.

As we traveled up an old dirt road we pulled over to make a pit stop (need I clarify?).  I looked to the east and noticed what was to me clearly, an old mine tunnel entrance.  Yet it had been either back filled or the entrance had caved in with the passage of time. While standing at and facing the presumed entrance, I saw a small stream or trickle of water coming from the entrance - a clear sign to me that it was indeed a mine. Looking up the hill I could plainly see the tunnel direction as it has settled leaving a clear shallow gully-like indentation up the hill and about 30 to 45 feet in length. Regardless, of the reason for the indentation in the hillside, it was clear to me that it had to be dug out horizontally about 30 feet to get to the mine.

As I wondered about the history of the mine, I felt it could be an old Spanish mine or a mine of the recent past from the mid to late 1800’s (or even into the early 1900’s), but there was one thing missing… a mine dump. Well there are a few reasons a mine dump might not be present at or around the probable entrance, as some old Spanish mines don’t have a mine dump. I won’t go into the details here, but I will leave it to the reader to ponder the reasons…

Nevertheless, after pondering the possibilities, and not being much into old mines or mining at the time, I turned around and there I saw the answer in part to the seeming riddle. Directly facing the old suspect mine entrance, was this, on an old dead aspen.

180 degrees (cache?)

The first and foremost question that popped into my head was, is this tree old enough to bear this suspect mark of Spanish origin?  Well I suppose you would have to see my findings and research concerning the potential life span of an Aspen tree.  But I called in for the professional help of a friend who makes his living in range management and is absolutely trained, experienced and qualified to make such a determination. However, I admit, this tree was never sampled. But, the tree you see in the photograph below, after taking several core samples, was determined with out doubt to be just under 500 years old. Not all Aspens live this long, but some do.  If you disagree and care to challenge this and call in your own experts, I welcome it.

Turn around and go 1 league at 120 degrees

The tree carving below bears the Spanish symbol for 180 degrees.  So, as you face it and turn around 180 degrees you will be looking directly at the mine entrance. At this site, I was still uncertain to the possibilities, but I noticed the symbol was cut with a single knife blade incision, something that is very important in the consideration of authenticity of the cut, but I will spare you the details at this time. Fortunately there is found on the same tree, other writings from an earlier time frame and there is a date accompanying them.  These were done with a single incision as well. Notice the vertical lines of the “P” in “Peo” and “B” in the photo below.

Although the vertical lines in the P and B and vertical lines of the 180 degree symbol were made with a single incision of a knife, notice the vast differences in width as the tree expanded as it grew. If I recall correctly, the P in Peo and the B were made in or about 1927.  They have expanded as the tree grew, going from approximately ¾ of an inch to 1 inch in width. This represents approximately 80 years of growth and expansion of this perticular tree.

How old could the carving of the suspect Spanish symbol be with an expansion of 3 times the width of the former? I have my thoughts as to whose expedition is responsible but because there is no way to positively identify when it was carved, I will keep it as just a thought.

This expedition is planned for the near future and will require actual participation in opening the old mine.  All precautions for your safety will be taken. However, again, liability waivers and non-competition agreements are a must. The cost is expected to be about $20 to $25 dollars a day per person, and you will be responsible for your own transportation in getting to the site. Also, you’ll need to bring your own camping gear and personal effects.  In the evenings when we are not digging, as we sit around a campfire there will be some great learning and discussion concerning the history of Spanish explorations in Utah and the Native American tribes as it relates to the meanings and understanding of the Native American Petroglyphs.  It will be a great trip. Yes, with due diligence your name will be added to the mining claim.

For information of a Possible Expedition presently being planed and future expeditions or any questions, suggestions or propositions, Please Contact Daniel at tuscoro@gmail.com 

Hosted By Daniel Lowe AKA (Digger, 15 year Administrator of The Treasures of Utah Forum owned by Randy Bradford, Facebook Page:  The Treasures of Utah)

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