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Sunday, November 12, 2023

Aztec Floating Gardens, Chinampa, and the Sunken Cities of the Mediterranean

 Original article January 2nd 2022


 Global Warming? Last Ice Age? Sea Levels Rising?

The Sky is Falling!


After I wrote this article I had to reread it several times, apparently my attitude didn’t change and what was suppose to be an editing of sarcasm and the like, well... it just got worse, and so... I just decided to post it before it did get worse… some of you will enjoy this and some wont… All I really wanted to do is write about Chinampas. ;-)

 

 

Chinampa floating garden in Sanpete county Utah?

One might think so but this is from the early settlers…

As much as I wanted it to be, it just isn’t…

 

Now I don’t normally write about the following sorts of things but after coming across a popup advertisement spoiling my usual good nature… I found myself reading the article by none other than a trustworthy CNN author, of the Academics reporter of the American Continent. Thank God we have CNN to remind us peasants of our fallacies.

The article which caught my eye was titled:



If you are up for a good laugh and eye rolling, you can read the full article at https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/weather/sea-level-rise-accelerating-east-coast/index.html be be warned.... “Study says,” a NEW study led by Rutgers University," so it must be true… You have to have a study to know you’re up to your ankles in water you know… There will be sarcasms in this article.

“The data collected for a location in northern New Jersey shows that from 1400 to 1500 CE, global budget sea levels likely rose at a rate of 0.13 millimeters per year. A few hundred years later in the period from 1900 to 2000, or the 20th century, the rate increased drastically to 1.30 millimeters per year.”

 OMG! Really? Who was measuring sea level between 1400 and 1500? And when we’re talking about millimeters in decibels, how does the word “drastically” fit in? if we we’re talking FEET or Yards I could see it but millimeters? Sea level is accelerating? I see this as the equivalency of  some moron getting hit by a single snow flake and so he runs up and down the streets waving his arms screaming in a panic, “The Sky is falling!”

 How do you measure ocean level with constant wave action and constant changing tide levels? By the way, in case you didn’t do the math, between 1400 and 1500, Al Gore’s ancestors some how miraculously measured… LIKELY ½ inch rise, and from 1900 to 2000 the sea supposedly accelerated drastically 5 inches, and yet compared to our recon photos in the 1920 of our coast line, nothing has changed.


 Scary huh?

Not only did I get a good laugh from this very irresponsible CNN Article, it also struck a nerve with me because of my research of over 30 years, I have come very familiar with the peddling of horseshit found in the science media. But the research that brought it to my attention was not only the research on former pole shifts and cataclysmic events of the past, but my research regarding Chinampa here in the North especially along the East Coast. What is Chinampa?

Chinampa is an Aztec word which in short means floating garden, academics would like you to believe that it is a gardening technique developed by the Aztec which is in part true, however it likely came from their ancestors, in other words, they were familiar with the practice long before they went to Mexico. Chinampas were constructed upon what academics call wet lands, I call it by it’s more universal appellative, a damned swamp. I never really understood why the Aztec chose to build successfully, I might add, their city in and on a damned swamp. The answer is simple and does not need a study to figure it out, the answer… they were very familiar with the practice. But where did they learn it? It wasn’t from the first settlers of New Orleans or the Mediterranean. 

But before we go into the story of the Chinampa, let me get my grievance out of the way because it really got under my skin… I know, I know, I have no one to blame but myself. 

Global Warming and sea levels rising! Lion and Tigers and Bears! Oh No! 

After reading the above mentioned CNN brain washing ditty, and statements such as “Sea level rise is accelerating!” and OMG…  “This land subsidence "is from the effect of the Laurentide ice sheet from our last Ice Age," Walker told CNN. "The ice sheet retreated thousands of years ago, and the land is still readjusting from the effect of that past sheet."Say what? [I think they misspelled that last word, this is just a bunch of sheet] 

Being familiar with the east coast even as far back as 1925, I just had to revisit some old research and I decided to check the history of ocean levels for myself to look for the practice of choosing deceptive and selective data  to put icing on ones pile of horseshit to make it look more desirable to consume… Ocean levels would have a direct effect on the appearance of the Chinampas. I discovered that according to current academic “studies,” Or should we just call them fact checkers?  That ocean levels have risen about 1 foot In New York and New Jersey since 1950 COMPARED TO 2020! and some reports say up to 1 meter! And all since 1901 to 1990, OH MY! What shall we do!  Well let’s see if this is true…. by the way, using the figures in the above mentioned report, it comes to just under 4 inches in the last one hundred years...

There is a wonderful web site which I am certain was and is available to these… studies? Called Tides and Current from NOAA, yes… our wonderful corporation we lovingly recognize as and call… Government. https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/ 

Low and behold, the statement of the sea level at New Jersey being 1 foot higher, (I chose the area around Atlantic City New Jersey), Would have been true depending on the month you chose to compare!  But what they did not tell you is that it varies from Year to Year not to mention month to month dependent upon the Lunar cycles… 

In 1950 in the month of November, the highest tide that year, was 6.027 and I am guessing that is feet? And in February 2021 it was 5.069 1 foot lower! However…. Here’s the parts they leave out… due to the lunar cycles… if you are comparing the same month you could easily be one foot difference in fact up to 3 feet, the part they do not know is that in all reality, there is no such thing as “ocean Level” it just simply does not exist and the only way it could ever exist is to get rid of our outer lying terrestrial bodies starting with the most influential, the Moon. 

Highest Tides by year and month recorded in the last 70 years in New Jersey:

1944 September    6.627

1950 November    6.027

1953 October        5.128

1955 October        4.029

1976 August         6.227

1985 September    6.358

1991 November    6.247

1992 December    6.768

2012 October        6.542

2019 October        5,161

2021 February    5.069

In 77 years the highest number was 1992 at 6.768.

 Now to give you a visual, here is a overlay coastal recon photo from 1925 of Rehoboth Flat just south of Atlantic City New Jersey and even considering High tide low tide, I fail to see any noticeable difference in about 86 Years!

 

1925 Ventnor City Coastal Image over today’s Google Earth Image

 


 Another of the many articles trying to convince you the sky is falling


NEWS FLASH! It isn’t the sea level rising that has caused a potential loss of 25 billion in Tax Payers money, it might be as a result of the presumed intelligent men, paid off  engineers, city planers, greed stricken real-estate investors and developers who continue to build at sea level or below in a swamp… where high tides have reached as much as almost 10 feet (September 1915) above sea level, 7.6 feet in September of 1919, over 8 feet in September 1961. What did they think was going to happen? But lets just keep building at sea level OR BELOW and blame it on Hurricanes, Melting Ice Packs, and Global Warming, instead of recognizing the idiocy.


Sunken Cities of the Mediterranean

I’ll try to keep this one short, but one of the first things to learn regarding these sunken cities is…. Wait for it!..  they’re not sunken… they exist at the same elevation in which they were built. Why do “they” ignore the facts? Did they know that just above the southern shore the entire Northern part of Africa was under water in the past? Did they know that Egypt was also under water for near 300 years? Well mostly…

 

Ancient Egypt, before the Egyptians found it...

Where did the waters come from? Where did they go? When were the Pyramids built? The answers to these questions would be shocking and rejected by a majority, but the Pyramids were built long before the Egyptian was even a thought. One of those who would become the Egyptians and from which the name derives... while fishing, boogey boarding or water skiing I forget which, spotted a pyramid sticking out of the water, later when the waters rushed away as a result of our most profound pole shift, (2700 BC-ish) and lowering the present Mediterranean see level of that day by 150 feet or more, exposing the North end of Africa, the people moved into what is now Egypt and the academics have been convincing people ever since that they are the ones who built it… How high was the water? Look at the great pyramid and I’ll bet it was not too far below the preserved top portion. 

When the waters vacated suddenly in a cataclysmic even of about 2700 BC in the days of Peleg the waters went east, if you doubt this ask the historians of China about the ocean that swept over their country in ancient times, this is only one of many evidences. This occurred as a result of a second pole shift, from Iceland to about 600 Miles west of Alaska, with the first occurring some 300 years prior when the earth first tried to divide, and the evidences are abundant. 

The waters now drawn towards this new pole at off shore Alaska, as a result, exposing all that new real estate around the Mediterranean, the developers, money changers, engineers and city planners ancestors of the Louisiana swamp grabbers... went nuts!…. And cities sprung up all around the shorelines of the sea. All was well and good until 2700 years later when we had a third pole shift changing from the Alaska location to present day North. With North now located some 2000 miles closer to the Mediterranean, like the tides gravitating towards the magnetic field of the moon, the waters of the earth also gravitate towards the new north location and raising  the Mediterranean sea by I’d bet a couple hundred feet, where it remains today… until….


Last Ice Age?

I suppose we ought to prove there was a first ice age in order to be able to accept having a last one… let’s not confuse an Ice Age with a interplanetary catastrophic event that occurred near 2700 BC in the days of Peleg “when the Earth Divided” and I do not mean Continental drift which is another non existent can of worms. Pangea or what I like to call, Scamgea, the so called Super Continent of which never existed and if it did, it violates every rule or law of creation! Some of you may wonder what this has to do with the combined presented topics, let me just say, ALL things are connected…

The effects of this event resulted temporary circumstances causing in the areas of the North and South poles of those days, and creating an environment causing temperatures like that of liquid Hydrogen where in all things within, instantly froze. Is there evidence? Patience. The ring presumed to be ice around Saturn which it is, exists as a result of this interplanetary event like fallout. Remember the movie “The Day After Tomorrow? Not like that… There were no super storms….

In support of this event I will not give all the information simply because a majority is not ready to hear it, but I will give Geologic, Archeological/Anthropological evidence to support the hypothesis. In order to do this I need to introduce you to one of the greater free thinking Archaeologist and Anthropologist in the last century, Frank C. Hibben who passed away 2002.

Frank C. Hibben was a very respected Archaeologist and Anthropologist, no one had a bad thing to say about him while he was alive and able, but because Frank was frank, and called it the way he saw it and not giving a rats backside what his colleagues or peers thought. There were some who were no doubt influenced by the Smithsonian propaganda machine, to cast doubt upon him after he was no longer able to defend his position. Feel free to read more upon his works at Sandia Cave in New Mexico, Personally I believe it was because he found the remains of a horse among other bones of questionable antiquity… Not some off breed with 3 toes or some other pre cursor to a horse, it was a damned horse, the same that you and I are familiar with…  In my estimation the whole thing is trivial, Frank knew damned well what he was looking at, it is what it is…


PART TWO 

But of all of Frank's work and articles, the one I am most grateful for was his write-up regarding his findings in Alaska, I would love to see Smithsonian cover this up, that would be impossible, but they can cast doubt on him right? Franks presumed full write up can be found here where you can read it or download it. 

https://docplayer.net/46162515-New-mexico-anthropologist-151-archaeological-aspects-of-the-alaska-muck-deposits.html

The following is an article regarding the Alaskan (Frozen) Muck and referencing Franks article. 

Frozen Muck

“In Alaska thick frozen deposits of soil, boulder, plant and animal exist, commonly known as "muck". Prof. Frank C. Hibben of the University of New Mexico described these deposits: "In many places, Alaskan muck is packed with animal bones and debris in trainload lots. Bones of mammoths, mastodons, several kind of bison, horses, wolves, bears and lions tell a story of a faunal population. Within this frozen mass lie the twisted parts of animals and trees intermingled with lenses of ice and layers of peat and mosses. It looks as though in the midst of some cataclysmic catastrophe of ten thousand years ago the whole Alaskan world of living animals and plants was suddenly frozen in mid-motion like a grim charade twisted and torn trees are piled in splintered masses  at least four considerable layers of volcanic ash may be traced in these deposits, although they are extremely warped and distorted"

 

This suggests that although volcanoes were erupting, other forces were required to dismember these animals - with mighty floods and hurricanes being the most likely.

 

"Fossil bones are astonishingly abundant in frozen ground of Alaska, but articulated bones are scarce, and complete skeletons, except for rodents that died in their burrows, are almost unknown. The dispersal of the bones is as striking as their abundance and indicates general destruction of soft parts prior to burial."

 

Meanwhile in Siberia, mammoths were being wiped out in a similar manner. Massive graveyards of their remains have been mined for ivory tusks. It has been estimated that more than half a million tons of mammoth tusks were buried along Siberia's Arctic coastline, which equates to roughly five million mammoths. Several dozen frozen mammoth carcasses have been found with the flesh still intact. They died suddenly. In their stomachs can be found undigested vegetation, including grass, bluebells, wild beans and buttercups, food typically available in the summer. Scientists examining them have concluded that three of the mammoths died of asphyxiation. The cause of death of the others has not been determined.

 

Regardless of cause, they froze within days of dying, and when unfrozen the flesh has been fresh enough to feed to dogs. With the previous pole positioned at Hudson Bay [This is in Error, previous pole was Iceland], the North Siberian coastline would have had the same latitude as Japan does today, well outside of the Arctic Circle. But when the poles shifted, the climate would have rapidly changed, from a summer savannah where mammoths munched on buttercups, to a frozen wasteland.

 

But wait a minute; weren't the woolly mammoths suited to living in a cold climate? They are described as woolly due to their hairy coat, but this is only hair, greaseless hair. To help protect them from the cold, all of today's Arctic mammals have glands that make their hair oily to retain warmth - the mammoths had no such gland. Although thicker, a mammoth's hair is the same as that of elephants, and they live in the tropical regions. Many animals found in equatorial jungles also have thick hair, the tiger being one such example. Anyone still unconvinced could consider this - bones of tigers, rhinoceroses and antelope were found alongside the mammoths, and these are obviously not Arctic creatures.”

 

 

Chinampa 

It was my research on Chinampa or the Aztec Floating gardens that in part brought my attention back to the previous topics. I don’t recall who it was but a friend sent me some Google Earth snapshots of what appeared to be the equivalency of  Aztec Floating gardens of the past. When I first looked at them of course my skepticism kicked in and I began to search everything I thought might have been the cause, my first suspect culprit was the CC Camps of  1933.

 

Delmarva Peninsula Chinampa

 

New Jersey Chinampa

The CCC or Civilian Conservation Corps seemed as though it was a blessing, big brother came to save the day in the great depression and I am sure it helped many people not knowing what to do, what they didn’t know is that is was nothing more than a ploy designed to create a false sense of security causing the people of the day to come over to Government dependency instead of self dependency. It would later become the vehicle that is also used in a personal identification system giving every worker a reference number known as Social Security. You could not have a government job with out it, but hey! It was a retirement program that you could fall back on in your retirement huh? How did that turn out for you? But first they had to instill in you that big brother was watching out for you so you didn’t have to, after all, they have your best interest at hand no? They also needed to get you off the Gold standard so that you would be more willing to entertain the idea of gold backed currency which of course everyone fell for but that backing didn’t last long did it? Think about this, we were in an orchestrated created depression, who the hell had gold? The use of Federal reserve notes brings in “permission” to tax you and we all know how that has gone. 

Well now that I have gone off on a limb lets come back to Chinampa. Delving into the many Coastal recon photos dating back into the 20’s it became very clear that the many claims that these strange irrigation ditches were not made by the CCC or for mosquito abatement projects for the CCC, or any other in recent times. However it is likely true down in the Florida area as I have found many of what was thought to be Chinampas of the past are not as they do not appear in 1940’s photos and they just don’t look the same.

 


Florida Mosquito Abatement channels

Notice the white spots which are piles of dirt from dredging.

Also a certain tree or bush is planted around the perimeters of which the roots would help prevent erosion.

 

Rehoboth Flat New Jersey

1925

 

However further North, not only did these seeming floating gardens appear exactly as they are today compared to the 1920’s, many of them were miles and miles away from any civilization who might have a Mosquito concern.


Rehoboth Flat New Jersey Current Google Earth Image

I see no difference

 

Current Google Earth Image of what’s left of Aztec Floating Garden

 

The Chinampas I discovered were not only near the few places a friend sent me, but they are all up the east coast into Nova Scotia Newfoundland and in Iceland where they boast of having no mosquitoes! They have also possibly been found in Ireland, Portugal, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark! Just who was it that made these and how long ago were these gardens used on our east coast? I have even found possible examples in Quebec, Minnesota, California and Sanpete County Utah.

 

New Jersey Chinampas

 

New York Chinampas

Judging by the appearance of many of these Chinampas along the eastern coast and comparing them to photos of up to 100 years ago the Chinampas look no different and have the same look of antiquity. I wonder if they were still being used when the Europeans arrived this last go around. I am certain there is a way to date when they were in use, but I doubt anyone will even consider it. Comparing them by photos only they appear to be just as old as the Aztec gardens in Mexico.

Granted we do not know for certain when the Mexico Chinampa were last used, we can assume it has been near 500 years however this would be presumptuous simply because we do not know if the locals continued using them after Cortez destroyed their way of life. I am unaware of anyway to date them as to when they were last used at this time. 

The previous is a selection of photos gathered of what is believed to be Chinampa or Floating Gardens, Florida has been excluded simple because I cannot find an example which does not fit the past Mosquito Abatement Project, although they look suspect they have a whole different look about them. Certain trees or bushes have been planted around their perimeter I would assume so the roots hold them together.

Some years ago I sent some of the images to a man who at the time was one of the leading authorities on Chinampas, when he saw the images I sent him around the Delmarva Peninsula and up into New Jersey, he was shocked and immediately contacted me wanting to know where they were, I don’t know what has become of his research as I have lost track of him, but my guess is that he has succumbed to the Abatement theory, or his funding was up for grabs. 

Thank you all for putting up with me….

Sincerely, Daniel

You can read more about the Chinampa in my book, 

The Forbidden Histories of the Americas

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Friday, November 10, 2023

The Mythology of Radio Carbon 14

Original article June 14th 2017


And those who promote it…

“They” are free to believe as they will…
“They” will find exactly what they seek…

Even if it is a lie…



The original article reads 10,000 years, but whose counting right?

NOTE: My articles are not written with the intent to persuade anyone nor convince them of the errors of their ways, ALL shall remain as theory until proven with facts, I do not care what others think or believe, man has a God given right, whether they believe in a God or not, to believe as they choose… Agency, it belongs to all, even if they “choose” not to use it, or use it poorly…
“As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.”

The backbone of the theory of evolution…
Charles Darwin proposed the theory of universal common descent through an evolutionary process in his book On the Origin of Species in 1859, saying, "Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed."
An interesting choice of words, What did Charles actually mean? I often wonder if this Christian was grossly misunderstood, his words twisted, could he have meant this “one premortal form” alluding to a God? Why would he say, “into which life was first breathed" if his intent did not include a God in the equation of life, why didn’t he say, “when life first breathed”? Someday, maybe I will read his book to discover his true meaning…

Evil-ution, I just can’t seem to spell that correctly… is in part today described as:
“Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. Evolutionary processes give rise to biodiversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms, and molecules.”
What they do not see and never will, is that the God process also gives that same rise, but also gave them the ability to write the above statement, I would like to see “Natural Selection” do that. Continuing on…

“All life on Earth shares a common ancestor known as the last universal common ancestor (LUCA), which lived approximately 3.5–3.8 billion years ago, although a study in 2015 found "remains of biotic life" from 4.1 billion years ago in ancient rocks in Western Australia. In July 2016, scientists reported identifying a set of 355 genes from the LUCA of all organisms living on Earth.”(from the all knowing Wiki)
I suppose God may have lived 3.5 “billion’ years ago, but I can’t help but wonder how he might feel about being called the “last universal common ancestor” by his descendants 3.5 billion years later and by those who were not there… and Thank Goodness! For “a Study” when ever you see this noble announcement of reference, you can now rest assured and with all certainty know without any degree of original thought, intelligence, doubt in any form or any thought whatsoever, believe... that what is to follow… is gospel…  just shut up, sit down, ask no question and believe… because… “they”... lets have a drum roll....  have done A Study!! Wow, I have chills running up and down my spine. It must be that “Evolutionary processes giving rise to that biodiversity at every level of biological organisation” in my body, did anyone notice that “Natural Selection” is an oxy moron? “Selection implies… no no… demands intelligence, and Natural implies an preexisting organized plan. Ok, I’ve had my fun, let’s move on…

Did any of you notice the erroneous dates given in the above Wiki quote above?

What is Carbon?
Carbon is all of what the academic world says it is, although misunderstood to some degree, and then some. Coal is the most common form or carbon, which exists due to large amounts of accumulation of dead bio mass. Carbon is the final stage of the purification process of the bio mass of the planet, it exists as a result of decay. Decay is as a result of any living thing which no longer has the ability to receive or transfer energy. The decay rate of this planet has not always been the same, this is evidenced by how long things lived in the past as compared to how long they lived today. To my knowledge there is no science that came and measure how long something lived, or is there? The Neanderthal man which science has created out of their lack of knowledge of a God, carries the characteristics it does not because of its early evolutionary pre modern man development, but these characteristics observed such as the enlarge brow bone is as a result of longevity of life. In other words, if man today lived as long as people did in the days of Adam, a large brow bone would no doubt develop. 

The point to this is that the reader understand that Decay in the first thousand years was near nonexistent. After the events of the division of the earth in the days of Peleg, and I do not mean the BS Pangea THEORY which is another can of nonexistent worms, those things living began to decline in the longevity of life as a result of those principles which enable an increase in decay, that increased of decay rate came as result of those thing which once protected this planet that was changed lost and altered as a result of the division of the earth in the days of Peleg. Are you confused yet?

Decay, or should I say the decay rate is the underlying problem with Radio Carbon 14 dating. But before we enter into this profound error of understanding let’s talk about the other problem, pride. It is one thing to be educated in the field and excel at it with knowledge, correct or incorrect… it is another to be so proud, that when they discover the very curriculum in which they were indoctrinated with for 4 to 8 years and paid thousands of dollars to receive, is false, but still they present the fallacies knowing it is falsified… the words integrity, honesty, education, intelligence and knowledge goes out the window and they have wasted their very being… “they” know who I am talking about…

Radiometric dates are scattered, and anomalies are often not reported:

Here are  just a few of the hundreds of unpublished quotes…

"Improved laboratory techniques and improved constants have not reduced the scatter in recent years. Instead, the uncertainty grows as more and more data is accumulated ... " (Waterhouse).
"In general, dates in the `correct ball park' are assumed to be correct and are published, but those in disagreement with other data are seldom published nor are discrepancies fully explained." (Mauger)
" ... the thing to do is get a sequence of dates and throw out those that are vastly anomalous." (Curtis et al)
" ... it is usual to obtain a spectrum of discordant dates and to select the concentration of highest values as the correct age." (Armstrong and Besancon).
"In general, strong discordances can be expected among ages deduced by different methods." (Brown and Miller)

The God Particle…
Back to decay, decay exists as a result of what even physicists call, “the God Particle.” Even though I am certain a majority do not believe in a God, they know there is something there and they just can’t understand that it is not “a particle” it cannot be measured, seen under the microscope, or identified in any fashion, in reality it can only be known by faith… it is the very thing which gives life, gives energy in all of its observed applied and measured ways, it is what makes light possible, gravity, it is what regulates time as we know it and what we don’t know, it is what causes nature to organize… naturally… it is what makes existence as we know it, possible.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and when he divided the waters from the waters and then there were two, the waters above the firmament and the waters below the firmament from which he caused the dry land to appear. The waters below the firmament he called the seas of this planet. However Moses does not expand upon the waters above the firmament. Without explanation these waters formed a canopy around the earth which at the time was much needed in order to protect the living from the immense inundation of that very God Particle that the academic world knows of. This is why “decay” in the first 1000 years was almost unknown and at a minimum and why men lived to be a ripe old age. The incident of the earth being flooded was only the beginning but this temporary event and disturbance of the distribution of this God Particle was only the beginning. After this event, the canopy must have remained or reformed to some degree as the life span of man did not drastically diminish but slowly began to decline. It was not until the event some 300 years later when the earth divided in the days of Peleg, (This does not mean Pangaea which is a fantasy) when this planet lost its canopy and protection from the bombardment of this God Particle, and rain which was unheard of prior to the great flood, became the norm. 


Carbon 12, 13 and 14…
EVERY element on this planet is capable of existing in the four known states, solid, or it’s frozen state, liquid, gas, and energy state or should I say EMC squared? Close but misunderstood.
Carbon 12 and 13 are for the most part the same thing, one of which may be more susceptible in reaching a liquid state which is almost unheard of with Carbon. Carbon is perfectly content in seeming to bypass the liquid state. Two things regulate the state in which an element exists or may exist, Temperature and pressure. In the case of Carbon, one must manipulate the pressure factor in order to see or experience Liquid Carbon.

Carbon 12 and believed to be 13 exist in solid form and considered “stable.” Any element capable of reaching the point of its energy state is considered to be, or the process known as, “Radioactive.” Radioactive is not the scary word science has made it.

Carbon 14 is considered as Radioactive but not dangerous, however an element such as Uranium due to its instability, is dangerous where as carbon 14 is not.  In short, the quicker an element can move from its solid state to its energy state naturally, the more dangerous it is and the easier it is to manipulate and manipulation by man makes it even more so dangerous. Truth be known, there is enough potential energy trapped in a common household spoon that if released all at once, could level a city block if you can find a way to take it from solid to energy, instantly, this is the manipulation that makes Uranium even more dangerous than it already is.

From WIKI
Cosmic rays are high-energy radiation, mainly originating outside the Solar System. Upon impact with the Earth's atmosphere, cosmic rays can produce showers of secondary particles that sometimes reach the surface.[LMAO!] Composed primarily of high-energy protons and atomic nuclei, they are of mysterious origin. Data from the Fermi Space Telescope (2013) have been interpreted as evidence that a significant fraction of primary cosmic rays originate from the supernovae explosions of stars. Active galactic nuclei probably also produce cosmic rays. [WIKI], no seriously… they did “a study”
“Cosmic Ray action?” Buzz lightyear to star command… It is believed today that C14 is created by cosmic ray action, what ever that might be... (at this point I would love to see a science animated cartoon of Cosmic Ray Action...)  and as many times as I have read it, I just don’t understand how they derived at this, after all, it was written during those years in which Buck Rogers was popular, it gets more ridiculous the deeper you dig. What puzzles me is that educated men believe these strange publications written by men who were not there in the beginning, but do not believe the writings of those who were there… C 14 is as a result of the remaining decay process of Carbon, in the beginning of time in the days of Adam, decay was MUCH less than it is today, so the C 14 available to measure contained in anything of that time period would be next to nothing. Without going into exact amounts, science today measures the percentage amount of C 14 contained within a given former biological object. Although there are many circumstances even today that can alter these levels from place to place, the academics have establish what they believe to be a constant. Although they do not see it and would never admit to it, “a constant” of any kind is the biggest enemy Evolutionist have and those who promote Radiocarbon dating.

It is said that the half-life of C 14 is approximately 5730 years, my first question is, who was there 5730 years ago to count and Measure the norm at that time? Wait until you read how this method was determined, and these so called degree carrying men actually accept this.

The presence or creation of C 14, a product of the decay of Carbon prior to the crucifixion was significantly less than it is today, even much more so prior to the Division of the earth in the days of Peleg and by reason and comparison to the life span of man BY DOCUMENTATION IGNORED… prior to the great flood, C 14 existence was near nothing at a reasonable estimated ten times less than today.

Just for perspective, It is said that in nature, for every 1 trillion Carbon 12 atoms there is ONE C 14 isotope, sounds like allot doesn’t it? It is estimated that there are 100 Trillion atoms in one human cell and estimated the same number of cells in the human body, that’s 100 C 14 isotopes estimated per cell of the human body, the human body is presumed to be about 18% carbon.

Radio Carbon dating if it were not plagued with many other seeming superficial variances, and if it were not for the problem of “Consistency” Radio Carbon dating COULD be fairly accurate with many other  evidences to back it up of “known” items in AD times or consideration of all things, and for the most part it is fairly accurate IN AD TIMES. However prior to 2000 years ago the numbers begin to become unreliable due to a diminished decay rate as compared to today giving the illusion of longevity, and for those things which existed prior to the Days of Peleg, the numbers become extremely erroneous not only due to an almost nonexistent decay rate but the pride of those who adhere to the theory of evolution which appears the story of is told based on episodes of Buzz Lightyear and the Emperor Zurg…

A highly recommended read is found here at 


By Professor David A. Plaisted

The more the scientist academics attack the publication of an author refuting their claims, and touching upon truth... the more these academic writers  expose themselves and the clearer we can see their nakedness...

Friday, November 3, 2023

As of 1890, leading Gold Nuggets Found in California.

 

As of 1890,

Salt Lake Herald Republican

 Some of the leading Nuggets Found in California.


 The first nugget of any great importance and which played a prominent part in the early history of California was found by a young soldier of Stevenson’s regiment in the Mokelumme river, while drinking from that stream. He hastened to San Francisco and placed his prize in the hands of Colonel Mason for safety after which it found its way to New York, where it fanned the smoldering flame and caused the nations to realize the importance of California. The nugget weighed between twenty and twenty five pounds.

In November 1854 a mass of gold was found at Carson Hill, Calaveras county, which weighed 195 pounds troy. This is he largest piece of gold ever found in the state. Several other nuggets weighing from six to seven pounds were found in the same locality. 

On the 18th of August I860 a large piece of gold was taken from the Monumental Quartz mine Sierra county which weighed 1596 ounces troy. The nugget was purchased of the owner by R B Woodward of San Francisco and exhibited at Woodward’s gardens Mr. Woodward paid $21,636.52 for it and afterwards melted the nugget realizing $17,054.94 from it.

A Mr. Strain found a large slab shaped gold quartz nugget near Knapp’s ranch half a mile east of Columbia Tuolumne county which weighed fifty pounds avoirdupois. After crushing and melting the gold was valued at $8,500. 

In 1849 a nugget was found at Sullivan’s creek Tuolumne county that weighed twenty eight pounds avoirdupois. 

In 1856 at French Ravine Sierra county, a nugget was found which contained considerable quartz but yielded $10,000, while another was found at an earlier date in 1851 the gold from which was valued at $8,000 

In the year 1867 at Pilot Hill El Dorado county a boulder of gold quartz was found which yielded in gold 8000 Several other boulders of smaller size were found in the same claim The boulders were found in what is known as the Boulder gravel claim immediately west of the Pilot Hill post office.

A Mr. Virgin and others found a nugget on Gold hill Tuolumne county which weighed 8SO ounces and was valued about $6,500

In 1854 a mass of wood weighing 360 ounces and valued at $5,625 was found at Columbus Tuolumne county. 

It has been reported that a nugget weighing 266 ounces and valued at 55000 was found at Minnesota Sierra county. 

In 1850 a piece of gold quartz was found French Ravine Sierra county which contained 263 ounces of gold worth $4,893. 

 It has been reported that a Frenchman found a nugget of gold in Spring gulch Columbia Tuolumne county which was nearly pure gold being worth more than $5,000 The finder became insane the next day and was sent to Stockton The French consul recovered the nugget realized its value and sent the money to the finders family in France. 

On the 4th day of August 1858 Ira A Willard found on the west branch of Feather river a nugget weighing fifty four pounds avoirdupois before and forty nine and a half pounds after melting. 

A gold nugget was found date not given near Kelsey El Dorado county which sold for $4,700. 

 In 1876 J D Colgrove, of Dutch Flat Placer county found a white quartz boulder in the Polar Star hydraulic mine which contained $5,760 worth of gold. 

 It has been reported that a nugget of pure I gold was found in the middle fork of the American river two miles from Michigan Bluffs in the year l864 which weighed twenty two ounces and was sold for $4,204. Another account or this nu get states that the weight was 187 ounces

Thursday, November 2, 2023

Logan Canyon Gold and Confederates

 

Many years ago I was talking to a friend and he relayed a short story to me… He told me that many years before, two doctors in the Cache Valley area had a thing where in they would go hiking up Logan canyon each weekend and choosing a new side canyon each time they went exploring. 

One day they went hiking and chose yet another side canyon and while hiking the canyon they found a cave. Making there way to the cave and finally reaching it, they entered and to there surprise found two dead civil war soldiers seated and leaning up against the wall, both were in full Confederate uniform…. The following story reminded me of the previous….

 In April of 1952, an article appeared in the Logan Newspaper... 

the headlines read...


GOLD DISCOVERED IN LOCAL HILLS!



GOLD FOUND IN LOGAN CANYON LOST CAVE! The above photos were taken by Spence Falslev and Kay Crook after they had found over $100,000 IN gold. Top photo shows Mr. Falslev, left, handing a bar of gold to Mr. Crook. Arrow, points to the stack of bars. Bottom photo depicts Mr, Crook handing gold coins to Mr. Falslev. The arrow guides vision to a pile of precious coins.

  

RICH GOLD STRIKE IN CACHE MOUNTAINS AMAZES LOGAN MEN 

They started out to photograph destruction to wildlife, brought on by the severe winter, and ended up by discovering a lost treasure!

Yesterday in Logan Canyon, Spencer Falslev and Kay Crook, Logan, realized the dream of a lifetime during their photography jaunt. The men were crossing a ledge on snow shoes when they started to slip down, starting an avalanche which included an entire mountain side. 

Mud, snow and rock plummeted down the steep sides. After the slide was over, the two men found their way to a place where they could rest. While surveying the debris, Mr. Falslev noticed a dark spot in the slide, which appeared to be a cave-covered by the avalanche.


The men climbed toward it, and found the hole in the mountain to be an old cave, in which some one had lived at one time. Mining tools could be found at the mouth of the cave; further back, there was an old burro pack, besides other supplies. They concluded the cave had been the hideaway of an old prospector in the 1880’s.

 

A description 

Mr. Crook described their amazing adventure as follows:

“We discovered a map showing the location of a claim, which was a mile or so from the cave. Mr. Falslev sat down upon a little ledge in the cave, sort of scratching his head over the discovery, when the ledge gave way under him.

“His foot struck something shiny, and in throwing the light back, he found a gold coin. Then we really began to scratch! We rummaged through the gravel and clay, and soon began to pull out more and more coins until quite a pile had been uncovered.”


Their luck was not to stop there, however. Mr. Falslev handed Mr. Crook a gold bar from a stack covered with clay. The gold bars were later found not to be quite pure --- they were only 98.7 percent gold. From a collector’s standpoint, the coins are worth a third more than the gold value. The men have figured their find at $100,000 --- found within 20 miles of Logan Utah.

Is this the same cave in which two Confederate soldiers were found? Is it possible the Doctors missed the Gold? Or is it an April fools joke... as the article was printed April 1st, but then, so were all the other articles in the news that day....

Monday, October 30, 2023

The Relativity Of Theory over 100 Years Later

 (From the Original article  April 12, 2018)


Was Einstein truly a genius? or was he deliberately put in place as an intended deterrent of events, a bokeh if you will, with the media of the day, blurring everything else around him in order to keep you from seeing the true genius and events occurring at the time?

Some may wonder what does this article have to do with the overall research? Due to the the last 150 years of intended programing, the age of misinformation, my audience in this will be limited. However I have noticed lately there is a surprising number of people who just can't get enough of truth, it is because of these people, I continue to write the following... 

There are many things in our history which the following is applicable, some of you will see it and some will not, most won't even care... There are many events throughout history, cataclysmic in nature that would be better understood if science would consider ALL things. The text in Genesis of the Bible would be better understood if the true principles of the Earths creation, existence and operation were better understood. Cataclysmic events of the past might be known and understood. The process of diffusion might begin, ridding science of all the fallacies it has indoctrinated the public with being taught as fact rather than the rubbish... er, I mean, the theory that it is. Theory of Relativity? Or Relativity of Theory? lets find out...


A hypothetical view of the displacement of stars 
compared when the moon is present due to 
Atmospheric Tide

In this generation we are seeing more and more evidence of a “Dumbing down” of the people, we see an all-out effort to hide our past and a majority of the people have taken notice of this in recent years, some long ago. Would it surprise you to know it has been going on for much longer than you think? Although this article is about only one of the many examples of misinformation that has been fed to the public with an agenda to misinform for whatever purpose, because the majority will buy into whatever crap the academic world will feed them… I will give just a short list of events from the past we have yet to know the truth of or things we have been led away from by an intentional act of distortion or even creations of redundancy and not so surprising, are accepted by the majority as reality.

I must at this time apologize for what may seem as arrogance in my writing, this I assure you is not intended, I am certainly not above it. I am not asking anyone to believe what I am saying only to consider, my weaknesses are many, and I admit, my experiences over the years has sharpened my axe to grind… For the most part I am disappointed with the academics, not so much the people involved as there are many scientists who retain the ability to think for themselves and outside the box, it is those who have succumbed to the system of indoctrination, who refuse to entertain any idea that is not in conformance with the curriculum, these are not scientists, they are puppets.

*The Civil War, what it was really all about and what the South was trying to prevent, no, it had nothing to do with freeing the slaves.
*Every war since the civil war… remember the Maine? The reason John F. Kennedy was really assassinated, ect.
*Manipulation of the original text of the Bible, an act of several occurrences over the centuries, for some hidden agenda… A few examples would be Turning God into a hell fire breathing dragon of destruction instead of a God of love and compassion. A diminishing of knowledge of the importance and sacred nature of the woman, Knowledge of the true identity of the Holy Ghost.. etc…
*Martin Luther Kings campaign for Civil Rights rather than Constitutionally Protected Rights… Why?
*Campaign for Women’s Rights where in the end result was, she has no rights despite what you may believe, and now has privileges instead under the name of Civil Rights which are not rights at all, prior to which she had the rights and protection in Law, under the protective cloak of her husband or father…
*Things of science which our fathers never questioned…. A 3.5 billion year old earth, evolution, plate tectonics and continental shift, polar wandering, the existence of a FIRST Ice age let alone a second one, global warming, Bering land bridge migration theory etc…  ALL OF WHICH ARE THEORIES and the evidences weigh heavily against!
*Radio Carbon Dating, for the most part it can be fairly accurate in “these times” meaning since the crucifixion, prior to the convulsions ignored 2000 years ago, anything prior to that the dates are extremely erroneous. Time being the most misunderstood mystery of man, what exactly is it?
*Redundancy intentionally and unintentionally given, such as “Negative Energy” “Anti Matter” “Anti-Gravity”, would you accept “Righteous Evil”? As a result of the lack of understanding it is still taught today in basic electronics, concepts of energy or the like, the principles of positive and negative, when in fact there is no such thing, there is however greater and lessor. There is no such thing as Anti this or that, however there is “opposition.” And exactly what is Dark Matter, do “they” really know? Einstein is quoted as coining the phrase, E=mc2, and the world marveled without understanding… in short it means, Energy is mass moving at 2 x the speed of light. Is this a statement of fact? Proven, or is it theory? Do you know? My first question… what force caused the mass to move at 2 x the speed of light? And if a reasonable answer can be given, then I would ask, who measured it and how?
This brings us to the subject boat load of crap fed to the people in 1919-20 The Theory of Relativity, when the academics desperate to quash a true genius, the theories of Nickola Tesla, and diminished him by creating a supposed genius (watch the birdie, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain)) which to this day, Einstein’s very name is equated with Genius and the fact is, he was the opposite, he did nothing, he accomplished nothing and quite frankly was incorrect and so is his now renowned Theory of Relativity. Most of you have more common sense than he did. How many of you have heard this title and have never question it let alone tried to understand what it is? It is said today by educated men that this theory is the basis of physics today, well hell... there's the problem!… to each his own. I agree with Mr. Tesla in the following quote...

Einstein’s relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. New York Times (11 July 1935), p. 23, c.8  (Nikola Tesla)

Some of you might be wondering what this has to do with ancient evidences concerning the history of the Americas which is as you know, what I am all about, and… the answer is, nothing, and everything. The point to this article is to show the reader the degree of deception and fallacies in our science and what is being taught as fact for decades, I mean think about it, if the recognized laws of physics are supposedly based upon this man’s findings and the conclusions of Eddington’s Solar Eclipse experiment of 1919 which supposedly proved Einstein’s theory, what does this mean for the laws of physics which science uses to make their conclusions? If this highly regarded man and this experiment of 1919 is regarded as such an important feet in our history, to the point many, even those who should know with their certificates of completion proudly hanging on their walls, would argue the point without ever testing it themselves… How much more might we find in our education system at a larger degree the deceptions whether intentional or not? IT IS ALL THEORY, QUESTON IT! “Wo! Unto he who puts his faith in the arm of the flesh”…


Yes… I have a God… In the following I intend to show you that the results of the Eddington Experiment, were intentionally falsified, and DID NOT prove Einstein’s bogus theory, and I am going to show you how easy it is to prove what so many are so intimidated by and would not think to even try.

When I first was presented the Theory of Relativity in high school if memory serves me, it made no sense to me, just to give you a visual and a vague description, Einstein was telling the world that he hypothesized that space contains mass, and that like a big blanket or trampoline, the earth was supported upon the mass or blanket like a bowling ball in the middle of a trampoline. My first questions were… What is holding up this blanket? What force would that be? If this were to fail or the fabric in which the earth was supported tore open, would the earth plummet into lower darkness and if so, what force is it that would make it fall? Would this then be a black hole?




Example of Einstein's vision

I knew then, that space is void of matter, it is the absence of matter, if there was matter in all that darkness it would illuminate just as our sky does when the ENERGY (Not a proper term) of what we call the light the sun emanates striking our atmosphere, (Mass) yet receives from a much more distant place… LIGHT is not an energy, it is the manifestation of this ENERGY encountering mass. If space were filled with mass, we could at night, look out into the sky, and see the shadow of the earth like a column rising and extending from the earth out into space, with illuminated boundaries to either side of the shadow. We are told our skies are blue as a result of the LIGHT of the sun hitting our atmosphere, and this is true… except it wasn’t light until it hit the atmosphere… as there is NO light traveling from the sun to the earth, only this energy that is only possible to see when it encounters mass. 

Energy IS NOT the correct term simply because energy is the manifestation of the many forms of the power or spirit if you will… that emanates from the very governing planets and encountering mass. But what is the power, this spirit and by what principles does it exist and extend its power throughout the galaxies? What it is, is begrudgingly called by the academics, The God Particle. It bothers them so much that in the 1970’s they began using the term Higgs boson, receiving its name from Peter Higgs. Anyway, I just wanted to give you some background, keep in mind, there is much more to it, but to have a physicist explain it to you, is confusion as most speak in a foreign tongue and with feigned words. Let’s test this theory, the Theory of Relativity, and see if it is not in fact nothing more than the Relativity of Theory.



Testing the Theory

After reviewing the entire concept of the proposed experiment conjured up by Albert, Arthur, and likely other motive driven individuals, the basics of this Theory of Relativity, I could see the ignorance of the two men wherein they apparently ignore relativity of two of the key players in the experiment along with other basic concepts. This is where the title of this article was realized… The Relativity of Theory.

The concept was this, if space was like a fabric of mass, a blanket if you will, and the suns presence due to “gravitational forces” disrupts the fabric of space and time (time added in to make it sound really cool) which causes the stars appearance from earth to expand away from the sun because it is bending the light coming from the stars. This however cannot be observed because the light of the sun drowns out the light of the stars, except during a total solar eclipse. So as a result it was decided that during a solar eclipse, when the suns light was blocked by THE MOON, that they could take photographs of the surrounding stars during the eclipse, and compare them to photos of the same stars taken at night when the sun was nowhere to be seen, sounds reasonable doesn’t’ it?

In the following actual image taken during the solar eclipse in 1919 by Eddington, we see the sun blocked by the moon, and six sets of dashes which supposedly represents the stars captured with the inner dash representing the actual location of the same stars without the suns presence. I have never been able to learn exactly what stars were captured in the photo but it is said they were from the Hyades cluster.



Copy of actual photo and negative from 1919

To this day I cannot match these dashes to any of the stars found in the Hyades cluster that is not to say that they cannot be… however the photos are clearly to me, a manipulation and a fraud, it would seem that the person who highlighted the stars did not imagine the stars “fanning” perpendicular away from the sun and instead marked them as if they had only expanded horizontally. Is this what Albert and Arthur expected? Quite possibly especially if they thought the earth and/or sun is supported by a blanket of space fabric. However this is clear evidence of intended fraudulent and manipulated evidence.



Hyades star cluster



The Photo Experiment of 2012

In a document I wrote some time ago concerning this very thing, I made the statement within, and after what could be very easily be considered as an arrogant boast, that it would not be too difficult to prove Einstein’s theory incorrect. After re-reading this, I decided I best put my money where my mouth is, because I am just a simple minded high school dropout. So I decided to begin the process of conducting my own experiments to show that in Albert and Arthur’s experiment that certain factors of relativity, were not considered. Of the things I knew were ignored were the moons participation in the experiment and its role in the final outcome, also the earth it self’s role in the experiment or more precisely what has come to be known as “Atmospheric Tide” You see, I knew I would get the same results as Arthur Eddington, without the participation of the sun whatsoever in my experiment. I knew that IF Eddington truly got the results he did, and I have just somehow misunderstood the result, that his results were not because of the Suns presence in his experiment, but as a result of what they did not consider in the slightest, the moon and atmospheric tide.

With this I contacted several experienced in astrophotography and even one astrophysicist, all of which assured me that Eddington’s experiment has been checked and recheck several times since its conception, and all obtained the same results, then I agreed that this is likely true, but then I asked if anyone conducted the same experiment with the sun nowhere in the equation? Some stuttered but others with more confidence assured me that it had been done and that no expansion of the stars was observed. I must admit I was somewhat intimidated and tempted to abandon my experiment. But I pressed on.

I contacted a professional camera man who has elected to remain nameless, I understand his reasoning to remain anonymous, perhaps someday when it is no longer a potential seeming scar in his profession, he is welcome to step forward and accept his part in the experiment.

There is only one thing I would do differently and yes I plan to do this again someday, but what I would do is select a date where in the moon is present but as a New Moon and not a full moon simply to get more visibility of the stars, however this oversight did not affect the results.

A date was set to take both photographs and it was decided to take the photos in the constellation of Taurus, the first was to be taken at approximately June 6th 2012 at approximately 11:00 PM. The second photo was to be taken at the same time two weeks later with the moon on the opposite side of the earth on June 19th 2012, both photos taken from the same camera, same settings, same location and same constellation location. Although I have the original photos, in order to create images here to be seen clearly, each photo has had brightness and contrast adjustments to enable better viewing of the stars and the overlay photo has had key stars highlighted by placing a 15 pixel dot over each.


The following images are best viewed on a computer screen


 June 6th 2012 Highlighted


June 19th 2012 highlighted


Results of first Overlay 


2018 overlay using original 2012 photos
with contrast and brightness adjusted

Using the two photos in Photo Studio Deluxe, I experimented in many ways to align the stars WITHOUT enlarging or stretching the photos. I decided the best point or center point for alignment would be where the moon is, the result was a fanning away from the moon. In other words, when the moon is in view, it causes the earth atmosphere to distort giving the appearance of an expansion, it is the same as increasing the natural parabolic arch of the earths atmosphere as a result of the oxygen, hydrogen, and other elements being drawn towards the moons presence, in the very same way the tides of the ocean are… This is the results of atmospheric tide, and when this natural lens is distorted, it will expand the view of stars appearing to fan away from the moon in a comparative overlay.

(Not included in the 2018 article: one of the most incredible and impressive things observed which was completely unexpected was  visible evidence of an atmospheric wave following the the tidal distortion to the west)

THIS is what was observed as a result the Eddington Experiment, and it had NOTHING to do with the sun, it was a simple change in the refraction of light as a result of this distortion of the natural parabolic arch caused by atmospheric tide due to the moons presence. LIGHT DOES NOT nor will it EVER bend, light does not exist in a void of no mass, the non existent environment of space. Space is VOID entirely of matter and without matter light cannot exist. light is ONLY possible when this power, spirit, God Particle, Higgs boson, whatever you wish to call it, encounters mass! that energy that emanates from a presumed governing center of the galaxy, or even the center of the universe, but…  is there something even larger? It would seem those hailed as a result of this Theory of Relativity, forgot about the relativity of the moon and the earth… Conclusion, Einstein was wrong, don't tell me I'm wrong, show me I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time...

PS… Many in the past have sent me every sort of youtube video supposedly showing the bending of light, in this they are deceived, it is whether you see it or not, the results of REFRACTION due to a realigning of the natural prism of molecules (Matter) which is NOT the same as bending, it is no different than if you took a few mirrors and manipulated the direction of a laser light or light of the sun using mirrors.

The Next Experiment

As I learn more and more about what the academic believe is fact, I only wonder more… In my experiment I chose to take one photo with the moon present in Taurus and then two weeks later one of Taurus with the moon opposite on the other side of the earth. According to science, it is shown that an equal bulge of the earths atmosphere occurs opposite the moon side, on the other side of the earth, so why in my photo results did I get and expansion of the stars in one but not the other photo? The next experiment is to repeat the previous with two changes, again I will choose the date in which the moon is in chosen constellation, but this time with the New Moon present. And the second photo with the moon at NOT 180 degrees from the former, but 90 degrees from the former. Will a more profound expansion of the stars be the result? I doubt it but we'll see....