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Thursday, April 14, 2022

Over 12 million in Gold Coin

 


Photo (Courtesy of the Library of Congress)

George Armstrong Custer

with his captured Confederate friend from West Point Academy

James B. Washington.

 

The following story may be familiar to some, and again I ask please if you know the location please be silent about it. Again there are some who just don’t need to know. 

In March of 1862, the Union and the Confederacy had been playing cat and mouse for almost a year since the Father of Captain John James fired the first shot that was heard around the world. 9 months later the North was on assignment to deliver a payroll to various out posts. 

With the North unsuspecting, the North and the South locked horns in a battle again. It went on for a couple of days and at one point during the battle one of the local Indian tribes attacked both the North and the South, history doesn’t tell this part of the story but for the first time and likely the only, the South and the North actually joined forces to fight off the native people. 

It is said that the North was carrying about two months payroll for near 3000 men, average pay at that time was $20 per month. Privates were paid about $13 dollars a month up to a Captains pay at $115 per month. Another report says the payroll consisted of $125,000; there is no indication of whether it was $10 or $20 gold pieces. It is likely that silver was not present in the payroll due to weight issues. If it were gold only it would be about 520 lbs. 

During the heat of the battle Captain John James come across the payroll wagon of the North he says he seized the payroll and dumped in a hole with no witnesses. Resources with personal knowledge say no one ever went back to recover it, even though a few had every opportunity, they did not mainly because they didn’t need it. In 1946 one individual with personal knowledge said, As far as I know it has never been retrieved, and if it had been recovered, it wasn’t reported. 

To this day, the hole still exists and about 30 to 40 feet down is likely over 12 million in gold and that’s the actual gold value. The coins are no doubt fresh minted coins. Collector value could be near 3 times that amount and in some cases certain 20 dollar gold pieces can fetch as much as $50,000 EACH. 

But all good tales have a down side… first and foremost if we are to be honest with ourselves, we must accept that there is only a 50% chance it is still there, it either is, or it isn’t, simple as that.

Now there are the land issues, how does one gain the right to the hole? Guaranteed the Fed is well aware of the missing payroll and if one were to find it and make it known, they would be all over it like feds on Mr. Taylor. Make a deal with them? LMAO! I doubt even if a deal was made, a deal would be honored. Besides, as far as I am concerned it doesn’t belong to the Fed. 

I am not posting this for discussion; I am posting it to share. Equipment is not what is needed on this project, what is needed in this case, is a very creative mind time and I am sure some expense.

Tuesday, April 12, 2022

Dead Spaniards and bags of Corn

 

The following story is for “Mike” G…. it is the only way I could think of to say… Thank you… 

If any of you recognize the following story, I ask that you please keep the details of place names quiet, I know the story has been passed around a bit but humor me please. There are details which were relayed to me which has never been told or put to pen… and those details I will keep to myself at this time.


One late spring day in about 1926 or so, Bill, Thomas, Elizabeth and Leah, 4 high school kids decided to skip out on school for the day and go on an adventure to one of their favorite camping areas next to the old mountain lake. They all jumped in Georges old Model T and headed up the winding bumpy dirt road. After about an hour or so, they topped the mountain with the trees thinning out and revealing a beautiful lake surrounded by trees on one side and a beautiful meadow on the other. 

They parked the old Model T at the North end of the lake as always, grabbed their things and headed out to explore… Heading across the meadow and towards the thick trees ahead, they entered the thick forest again but this time on foot. They stayed fairly close to each other because of the dense forest and just beyond entering the thick trees the mountainside begins to drop down into the canyon below, progressively getting steeper as you go and getting more difficult to wander the further you go and so they stayed up near the top. Spreading out a bit and far enough they could not see Thomas, the other three heard Thomas hollering come over here! Come see what I found! The other 3 kids hurried towards Thomas’s voice and soon he came into view. He was standing next to a very large tree and it had a large branch with what appeared to be an old sort of block and tackle hanging from the branch.

 

An old mine shaft

 

Thomas had to step in front of the others as the came closer as they did not see the partially hidden 6 foot square hole in the ground just below the block and tackle. As they all stood starring in wonder at the hole and the tackle, it is likely they knew exactly what it was… Thomas suddenly perks up and says with excitement, Hey, I want to down go in!

Seeing clearly it was a old likely Spanish mine shaft and tossing in a small rock or two showed it was pretty deep. Bill perks up and says I have rope up in the car? After retrieving the rope and tying it securely around Thomas the other 3 slowly lowered him into the old shaft. I have no idea what he used for light, but after a few minutes and at the end of the rope which was about 60 feet, Suddenly Thomas starts hollering from below, GET ME OUT! PULL ME UP! PULL ME UP! The others did their best and shortly thereafter Thomas emerges from the dark shaft, and climbs free of the hole, he gets up and struggles to remove the rope from his waste and clearly he is shaken from the unknown event. He finally cast off the rope and stomped his way all they way back to the old Model T not saying a word, he opens the door and sits down starring out the front window obviously shocked.

The others slowly approach the old T and after starring at him for a minute or so, one of the others stutters the words, Wa wa What Happened? After a moment or two Thomas pulls himself together and says…. My God!, there’s a bunch of dead Spaniards down there leaning against the wall, and they have bags of CORN all around them! Every one was silent for a time after that looking back and forth at each other… and on their way down they made a pact to never speak of it to anyone. Thomas had no desire to ever go back and never di according to Leah and Bill.

 

Handful of Corn

 

None of them spoke a word of it after that until many years later… Thomas and Elizabeth had passed away with only Bill and Leah remaining. Leah was in her 80’s I think when one day an acquaintance (a friend of mine) stopped by for an unknown purpose, this being around late 1980’s to early 1990’s. While talking about other things unrelated the conversation some how turned to old Spanish mines. Leah gained a little sparkle in her eye and asked would you like to hear a story of what happened to me and some friends in my younger years? Sure my friend responded… with that she said that she had never told the story before and she relayed the above story. When she finished she told my friend, now, just so you know I haven’t told you a phony story, I want you to go down the street to that old red brick house on the next N/E corner and go to the door and knock. An elderly gentleman will answer the door, his name is Bill, I want you to introduce yourself and tell him you just left my house and tell him that I just told you… “the story” and tell him to tell you the story and he will tell you the very same story. My friend agreed and did as she said, and Bill indeed told him the same story that Leah remembered. Bill however added to the story that he had once went back to try to find the old shaft, because he knew well and good it was not corn in those bags. He said none of the others ever returned. But he said he didn’t try very hard and he was quick to write it off feeling it was not meant for him. 

My friend never really put much effort into it having plenty to keep him busy, and after the story sat in his files for many years, on day in his elderly years, he called me up as he often did, and asked if I would be interested in perusing and old story he had… Of Course I said! And here we are today… “we” have made a few attempts to enter the old thick forest and we even believe we have found a geologic anomaly that just isn’t natural, in fact two and both fit the details not shared above. A thorough search has not yet been made and I have convinced myself of the type of equipment I need before I plan another tip and in order to find this presumed, still open 6 foot square hole in the ground. My friend has since passed away. 

This story is just one of the many that still sits with nothing being done largely because certain equipment is needed, either that or a lot of ground work which 20 years ago would not have been a problem. There is however certain aspects of this story that has it at the top of my list, some of you I know can see what that might be. I wish I could have shared the whole story but as always, there are just some who do not need to know… ;-)

I am all for the volunteer foot soldiers, but this one kicked even one of my best hikers butts, good o’l Tracey, and my other dear friend and best hiker and reliable friend has also recently passed… Steve and Todd, I’m going to miss you guys… say hello to Paul for me would ya?… until we meet again.

 

 

 

Saturday, April 2, 2022

Photo Games, The Younger Brothers?

Over the years I have had several photos sent to me to ask if I thought the photo presented was Jesse James, Frank or one of the many other outlaws of the day.... nearly all so far has ended with the same results, the photo was purchased off ebay and the buyer convinces themselves that they have a legitimate photo of Jesse and Frank... There is nothing worse than those who have already made up there mind that the photo they have scored is authentic and then send it to you to get your opinion... Please people, if you are already convinced of the authenticity of your photo, please don’t send it to me just to argue with me when you get the cold hard truth.

Near a year ago a very nice lady send me an email telling me her story being the family story, and that in her grandmothers things was the letter she mentioned and supposedly a photo of Jesse and Frank posing with two of the Younger brothers, asking if I would like to see them. Of course I told her yes…. But I admit… I was excited yet I just knew that when I saw the photo she would later send, that it was going to be another ebay tintype fantasy. 

A few days later she sent a copy of the letter which I will not yet go into at this time, but when I first looked upon the very nice copy of the photo, I thought, here we go again, and just as I was about to close the photo in disappointment something said stop! And LOOK! And I did, and there they were, Jesse and Frank without any doubt whatsoever… I have revealed in previous posts portions of the photo however I have not yet revealed the entire photo of which I have very good reason. 

This morning pressing on my mind, I decided to re-read the letter, I figure beings the photo of Frank and Jesse are authentic, perhaps according to the letter and her family’s own story, it may very well be the Younger Brothers, or at least two of them. So here I am, and I am going to give it the benefit of the doubt. The two individuals min the sepia photo are the two in question said the be the two of the Younger brothers… the photo without doubt was taken most likely 1895 but could be 1896. The following Greyscale Photo is what I believe is authentic photo of the 4 brother John Younger has been inserted into the photo. 

In 1895 if History is correct... Did I just say that?... The age of the Younger brothers was as follows… 

Cole Younger supposedly born in 1844 would have been 51 in 1895

It is said that Cole was in prison at this time and after his release died in 1916. Reminder, don’t you believe a damned thing history tells you… 

Jim Younger supposedly born in 1848 would have been 47 in 1895It is said by the all knowing wonderful and oh so all knowing WIKI, that Jim committed suicide while on parole in 1902 

John Younger who is said the have been born in 1851 who would have been age 44 in 1895. Wiki Wiki say he was killed in 1874, don’t you believe it… 

Bob Younger is said to have been born in 1853, this would put Bob at age 42 in 1895 at the time the photo was taken… It is said by… well… you know… that Bob died of tuberculosis in prison in 1889 so of course he couldn’t have been there…. so it MUST be true Right?...  

With this said, I present the two photos for your scrutiny… If you have an opinion to share, please DO NOT COMMENT here at Tuscoro.com, please respond at Facebook Tuscoro.com, Tuscoro Oro or Daniel Lowe (Tuscoro) all of which you will find on Facebutt. And where you will find this post on this day, Photo Games, The Younger Brothers? Thank You. 

IFand notice that’s a big IF… these two individuals are two of the Younger brothers, which would you think? I have my thoughts but will withhold until I get some comments or these days, some interest….

 

Sepia photo supposedly two of the Younger Brothers Taken in 1895

 

Supposed authentic photo of the 4 Younger boys

Although I would agree that Jim and Cole are good likeness candidates for the two men, I can't see the two men being the age that Jim and Cole would have to be.... my take is that the two men are NOT of the Younger Brothers.

Unless the birthdates are incorrect....