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Wednesday, November 27, 2024

Another Spanish Cache Configuration

 Original Post February 1st 2017

Edited and Added upon


In the fall of 2016, a friend called me who was working on a remote sub station site for the local power company. He asked if I had ever seen any monuments in the area where he was working. I asked him why? And he responded telling me that from where he was standing not far from the sub station, he could see what appeared to be at least 3 monuments on the side of a small hill and one higher on another larger hill. I had my doubts not that I didn’t trust his perception; it is just that if I had a dollar for every misconception of monuments, petroglyphs and the like, I suppose I would be set for life. I ask him to take a few pictures of what he could see in the distance, and sure enough, it appeared as we had another potential monument location likely an instructional site giving directions to a place I learned of many years ago in the North West where Spaniards had been known to frequent, and in one case spent 60 years mining it, yet this is information is not publicly known.

Many years prior a friend of mine had taken me to the place in the North West to show me some monuments where his Uncle was a big rancher, from what I recall it certainly appeared Spanish expeditions had been there, but this was well over 30 years ago. Since this time there has been many indications of expeditions to the place shown on the old maps, Sierras de Oro.


When we first arrived at this new monument site, I knew if they proved to be authentic and because of their location at the edge of a great barrier, that this site was some how connected to what I knew was Sierras de Oro on the other side. On first examination of the monuments I highly suspected this site as an informational location giving instruction of some thing. At first I thought it was possibly giving instruction as to a location of a last chance spring of water for if one left this place without water, they most certainly could die of thrust if they were to continue.

Further investigations began to show that my initial suspicions were likely incorrect.

Approaching the first monument with two more in site, I could see this suddenly had the potential of a cache configuration. Triangulation is the primary reason for this suspicion; confirmation would soon come after taking all the data of documenting the site back to the computer to create the digital layout.

There are several things to do when investigating a monument, questions to resolve such as, "Is it a mining claim marker from the late 1800's or later? Is it a modern creation for what ever purpose? These questions can be answered very quickly by turning to the Crustose Lichen IF it is present.

Spanish monuments are fairly stout, unlike a well built mining claim marker which I have seen plenty and some are actually built quite well, but they are always lacking in two things, one, Crustose Lichen of significant growth, and two, rigidness. When doubt is ever in the mix, I like to give the monument a good jolt with my hands just enough to jar it, a Spanish monument will not move, maybe just a bit, a more recent monument such as a well built mining claim marker will move with even applying pressure to it as if to push it aside. There are several other things to consider as well and with all these things combined, it is possible to determine authenticity and in some case a general time frame they may have been built.

Monument # 1: Approaching monument 1, it was a simple 4 foot monument, it had no particular shape nor any indication of pointers or site windows, this to me was an indication of its purpose of  a specific point in a configuration layout, but for what? Had this monument been found all by itself I may not have given it to much of my time. Crustose Lichen spores present gave indications of approximately 300 years since the monuments were built, this incited even more enthusiasm and excitement. (UPDATE: Monument # 1 on a second visit it was discovered to be a turtle monument of which the head points precisely to monument # 4 which could not yet be seen).

(Note: A "turtle Monument" IS NOT a single rock of any size that just happens to appear to look like a turtle using imaginative skills, it is a literal construction of rocks to form a column or well shaped pile of rocks and not necessarily intended to look like a turtle. An added head and tail to ANY presumed Spanish constructed monument is what makes it a "Turtle Monument." A "cache turtle" is very similar.)

Each presumed cache site will use different variations of triangulation and the use of turtles, this tells a tale of who the builder may have been, whether it was a Royal funded expedition or privateers. 



Monument #1


300 plus years of Crustose Lichen

Moving on to Monument # 2 above at 48 yards away or 52 Varas, I find the same in simplicity, however this monument is about 5 feet tall but near the top of it is what appears to be a possible pointer. Upon looking at this and lining it up with the horizon to which it points, another monument, approximately one mile away, is spotted that is nearly undetectable with the naked eye, but once you see it, it seems to stand out to its surroundings. This sited monument is # 5 to the west and on top of a much larger hill. Although the pointer points to this hill, it was clear it was pointing to a location not far down the hill or south of the monument that could be seen one mile away, we would find out later why. 


Monument 2 with # 3 in the background


Continuing to Monument # 3, I find a near 6 foot monument much like the previous with also a suspect pointer, it is pointing to the exact same location mentioned prior, however this monument had one thing that really stood out, and that is what seems to be for no reason at all, placed on top is a very square rock. At this point the first thing that came to mind is, in the Spanish symbolism, the square is said the represent two things, one is Cache, the other is 90 degrees. From this # 3 monument to what I will later conclude is the actual cache site at Monument 4 and 5, is the exact opposite according to the compass of 90 degrees at 270 degrees. The other thing I took notice of because it exists for no apparent reason was the increase in height from monument to monument, 4 foot, 5 foot and 6 foot, having 3 heights present. This to me, was only significant simply because of my studies and others who have constantly made notations of the Spanish doing things in 3’s or 3 times in addition to its application in triangulation. In addition to this notation of 3's, and you will want to remember this, Let this be a clue, there is a way to validate your findings or conclusions of triangulation in EVERY valid Spanish Cache site, if it is not present, you have either made a mistake, or it is NOT a Spanish Cache Location, This last piece of information I will keep to myself, this way, you will need me. ;-) Sorry...



Monument # 3


At this point it seemed to me the obvious next course of action was to travel to the monument site we could see one mile away. Later in creating the digital layout I would notice the angle used from monument to monument and as a result I could not help but notice the distance from monument to monument within each of the two separate sites.

Approaching the location of Monument # 5 traveling up the hill, another monument prior comes into view, this would be monument # 4 and it just so happened to be in the very location the pointers of #1, #2 and #3 were pointing, but because of the smaller size of approximately 4 feet and near identical with monument # 1, and having been camouflaged from view from the other hill, we could not see it from the previous site. 


Monument # 4


Looking uphill I notice by compass the degrees from # 4 to 5, is the same as from the previous site #1 to 2. Why this has my attention would take some time to explain as to why this is important but suffice it to say it is a sure indication that not only are you on the right track, but it is a likely verification of a Cache site.

Later in drafting the digital layout it is also observed that the 1st site of # 1, 2, and 3 is seemingly a template or map so to speak of the 2nd site on the larger hill, with this suspicion, I checked the distances again between #1 and 2 being 48 yards, observation of site 1’s seeming counter part (2nd site Larger Hill), I see by visual estimation the distance between # 4 and 5 appeared to be 3 times longer, could it be? Sure enough, the distance was near exactly 3 times the length.

Monument # 5 was a stout and 6 foot tall monument, it had no indication of site windows, pointers or anything unusual other than it had in the base of it what I call a mail box and it seemed to fulfill its purpose of representation of a given point in triangulation of a cache layout just as the previous # 4 seemed and serving as an Icon so to speak, to be seen from a far distance. If this second site and seeming reconstructed representation of its template site was in fact the results of the template X 3… then where was the 3rd missing # 6 monument? That wasn’t to difficult to answer as there is not a one soul who would place a monument right on top of an intended cache, yet there are some who have thought this and destroyed the monuments just to find how dumb their conclusion was.. 

In creating the digital layout it became very clear the intent of monument # 3. Using this 1st site as a template, it would seem your job was to figure out that it was a template and with two monuments already positioned in its counterpart on the larger hill, it was up to the finder to realize, the objective is to plot the cache location which would ultimately be the missing # 6 location. This would represent the location in the template of # 3, the one with the implicating square rock on top. This # 6 position can easily be established using the same compass bearings found in the template site, and 3 X’s the distances in it. Could it really be that easy? It never is....


Monument # 5 with # 4 in the background slightly and to the left side


I have found over the years at 5 other similar sites, the same basic principles only differing by what would seem to be the expedition leaders personal preference and depth of encryption, it would seem the more important the site, the more encryption is included, however this is speculative and has yet to be proven. It is fair to say that the 5 mentioned sites must still be concidered as unresolved simply because they remain unopened for various reasons. Until recently I have not had cause to proceed any further with these sites. Perhaps it is time? Of all the monuments at this site, not one, is what I would call a turtle monument of which I fully expected to find, why was it not used in this case? (UPDATE: On the second trip it was discovered that monument # 1 is indeed a turtle monument of which the head points to monument # 4)

This particular site was educating to say the least, but a far cry from the most encrypted site found years prior, using a combination of all the geometric principles of navigation and triangulation, and taken me near 10 years to unravel, the site which is the subject herein, took less than 30 minutes to resolve once the digital layout was complete, but as I said, it must be concidered still as unresolved.

Since the discovery of this site, only one attempt has been made to discover the intended target, it was just a whim but made sense at the time. Since that time I have dropped the ball on this one for many ubnrelated reasons. I think I am ready to spend some more time with it but now we are facing winter once again...


  Smaller Hill, template site



Larger Hill, Cache Layout

The mining area that this suspect cache came from is likely some 70 miles away, and a suspect cache remains there as well... "125 cargas of silver, 30 cargas of gold, one cannon, arqubuses, lead and armour" why would they leave a cache 70 miles into their trip back to Santa Fe? I can think of a few possabilities...  It is estimated that this occured some time between the early 1600's and early 1700's.

Seems easy doesn't it? It is never easy, there is always something you fail to see or notice... and always it seems, there is a need for technical equipment.

If I were to offer this site to you, with strings attached of course... what questions would you have? what expectations would you have? What expectations should I have? 

PS... Concerning my last request for donations, I wish to thank those who contributed... all two of you, it is greatly appreciated and will be remembered... ;-)

I am planning a private meeting with my freinds concerning this site, I can't believe I dropped the ball on this one, time to pick it back up... I am looking to raise about $2 to $3000 to get me through this winter, I have a good shot at a job prospect come January as the current job just isn't cutting it, keeping fingers crossed... wish me luck...

Monday, November 4, 2024

The Peralta Stones Fact or Fiction

 Originally Posted August 2022

The Likely Reality

Sometimes the treasure story doesn’t end with the desired results aside from the thrill of the hunt, unless of course you just keep buying the books sucking in new theories to keep the dream alive, but knowing the truth based on the facts might just eliminate one more story.

Although I am not in the habit of chasing after published stories I must admit when I first heard of the Peralta Stones, I was intrigued, curiosity wouldn’t leave me alone. After reading the hoards of stories that had been written about them, the many theories which I don’t understand how pray tell some people come up with these things, I decided to take a look at the stones myself and give the stones some serious consideration. 

 


The Peralta Stones


Now keep in mind, I have no doubt as to the authenticity of the stones which so many are anxious to discredit rather than try to prove them. It is so much easier to dismiss that which the lazy mind can’t figure out as a hoax isn’t it… 

I believe the stones are real for many reasons which I am not going to haggle about, and the primary reason is, Common Sense, something that the lust for gold just seems to replace. Another is the Peralta story which many seem to misunderstand concerning the lawsuits and court battles regarding one of the Peralta Land Grants which of course ended with cries of hoax and deceit in an effort to cast doubt. My position? The Peralta Claims were legitimate. However the primary reasons why I believe the stones were legitimate is supporting evidence that existed long before the stones were known, a story that has yet to be told and will not be told today in its entirety, however I will give some. 

I may also make note at this point that I have not the slightest idea where in anyone can tie the Lost Dutchman story to the Peralta stones or why it ever was? Do we suppose that because the stones were found at the foot of the mountains that the Dutchman supposedly came out of that this somehow makes the two synonymous? If some wish to go chase the Lost Dutchman mine based on the few details that were actually given, I am sure I won’t be the first to step aside and let them have at it. With this said also keep in mind that my take on this is also just a theory, and by the way, I can’t understand why or how treasure has ever been associated with the stones, I see no indication of treasure… Implications maybe. As I recall, and I don’ know how one comes up with this, but one story even places the location of the Peralta Stones Map in Johnson’s canyon east of Kanab? Is the Stone map Treasure specific? Not likely, but directions to a substantial Silver mine? Yes.

The point in mentioning this, although I don’t see it, is we should not suppose the stone map as relating to the area they were found, for all we know; the two obvious drainages on the stone map could be two drainages in Mexico, but it isn’t. 

However…Let’s look at the Peralta stones and keep it as simple as it really needs to be.  The Stone were reportedly found between Gold Canyon and Gold Camp along the Highway to Florence Junction to Apache Junction, I have no problem with this whatsoever or the claims made by the finder. I have heard and read many reasons as to why the stones were found where they were, personally, I couldn’t care less, the point is, they were found, anything is possible as to how they ended up there… 

The first thing I am going to prove or disprove TO MYSELF is the obvious drainages on the map with the assumption that the stones were actually found in the area it applies to. Although I have had a hard time wondering how anyone assumes the upper river shown on the Horse Stone and the Heart map is the Salt River, I guess I can slightly see the possibility?..  no wait… I’m sorry, I can’t. 

The top drainage shown on the maps is in my mind, clearly Queens Creek NOT the Salt River, if one would take the time to highlight the 3 rivers in question on Google Earth or even a 30 minute USGS map it becomes very apparent as to which two rivers were intended. The visual evidence weighs heavily in favor of the hypothesis. If the following is true, the whole story has been misapplied and the focus is in the wrong mountains!

 

 


The 3 possible drainage’s of the Peralta Stones 

Now like I said, I have no idea how the stones got to where they were found, but regardless of how they got there it would seem plausible to me that they were no longer needed and discarded. The Peralta Stone Map was not a map to a Treasure, it was documentation of one of the Peralta family Mines Likely a Kings Mine dedicated to Queen Isabella II. The next image should sum it up and I will leave it to the reader to weigh the common sense, and I could be easily mistaken.

 



Overlay of Peralta stone map

 

Lets dive into this just a bit further…

I will not say what my conclusions regarding the Reavis Peralta Land Grant trials is, but I will say I smell a rat, although Reavis may have been a rat, there was a whole lot of deceiving, slandering, forging and a lot of fabrication of evidence going on by the opposing party whom we might refer to but wrongfully, as our wonderful trustworthy Government. 

Just a few years after Reavis’s claims, and unknown to most and never was there a connection made regarding the Peralta's, a man shows up on the scene in Arizona with what might appear as just dumb luck.



James DeNoon Reymert a Nordic born man who later moved to Scotland where his mother was born as Jeanette Sinclair, interesting name… After a life of Law, Politics and other ventures none of which was mining, Reymert ended up in New York but supposedly due to health issues, I suspect otherwise, it is said he moved to a ranch located in the Biobio River area near Mulchen Chili for 3 years, I wonder whose ranch it was?...   Now most would just read on past this, but not us! Oh no no no… The Peralta family name has been in Mulchen Chili in the Biobio Providence since 1650 and is STILL today a prominent name in Mulchen. 


Example of 5 of two dozen names found in Biobio

My question is, did Mr. DeNoon know where and why he was going before he went?... I’m sure it is all coincident as much as the following. Now after his 3 year sabbatical in Chili, DeNoon returns to America, but surprisingly not to New York or Wisconsin where he frequented previously. No no, he lands in San Francisco and heads straight to Arizona, perhaps due to health issues… right.... and according to WIKI, with no mention of a miraculous discovery, he simply organizes the Reymert Mining Company… Why?... what a strange thing for someone to do with no mining experience or interests… What? He just got lucky by traveling out to the hills one day and said to himself, hmm, by God, I think I will organize a mining company… But it gets better, Mr. DeNoon just happens to organize this mining company at a location that turns out to be one of the larger silver strikes in Arizona, and it just happens to be at the Exact spot indicated on the Peralta stone map if you interpret the map correctly according to using the correct intended drainages…

My guess would be… The Peralta stones if found at the claimed location of “near Apache Junction” were not where some poor Spanish soul lost the stone maps, but where DeNoon cast them away no longer needing them after receiving them from the Peralta family personally and after coming to a business arrangement with them and re-locating the mines.. I would love to see DeNoon’s financial records of the day.

A partial point to this article is to show you that there is always another perspective, whether right or wrong remains to be seen but that is for you to decide, whether you have done your homework or not. Reason every little detail, question all things, and remember these words, It is what it is. Knowing when to accept defeat however, is knowing never to accept it. 


Tuesday, October 29, 2024

Will the Real Josephine Please Stand Up

Originally Posted February 2022 

This article comes at a convenient time where in with all the seeming recent renewed interest in the Hoyt mine I decided to write of it. After two days of putting this article together, I get a phone call informing me the History channel would be airing an episode of Beyond Oak Island regarding the Josephine mine of all things and featuring Terry Carter…. Well… I had to make an exception and watch of course, and it wasn’t bad at all… Nice job Terry, strangely enough at the same time a friend sent me a copy of what appears to be Gales transcript to the book he never wrote as he passed before hand… I love a good coincident…. Or two… needless to say I had to rethink and rearrange the article as I learned a few things I didn't know.... Who wouldn't be interested in a story which might lead to a treasure of over a billion in gold?

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Authentic stories of the past told over and over each time adding in ones own perspective is a rouge trait of story tellers and is getting worse in these times where in there seems to be no love of the truth. Minor details mention from the perspective of the originator are ignored and emphasis given to non essential descriptive words and then you sneeze, wipe your nose and an entirely different story sits before you, as you stare at it, wondering what the hell happened? No matter what you say or do to correct the miss perceptions the cancer continues to grow. 

An example many of you might be familiar with, the Grand Canyon underground city discovered by G. E. Kincaid sometime around 1909. the story as incredible as it already was has grown into a deception of misinformation. It would seem a poor choice of words created the problem not to mention those to week minded to listen to what they read…   

According to the story related to the Gazette by Mr. Kinkaid, the archaeologists of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the expeditions, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, hewn in solid rock by human hands, was of oriental originpossibly from Egypt,

Well oriental people are NOT from Egypt, but perhaps Kincaid didn’t know this… Egyptians were never here, shortly after the above notation Kincaid describes a statue carved out of the stone which is clearly Buddha but as it seems no one paid any attention and now you cannot find a write up which does not lead with “EGYPTIAN CITY FOUND”…. The truth of the matter is much more interesting… 

Another misinformation that has been grossly blown out of proportion is Moctezuma’s treasure, I guess there just isn’t any money in the truth… but the truth behind it is a much more interesting story as well… On with the intended story…

 

The Mina de Josephine de Martinique de Emperatris

 




Gale Rhoades and Steve Shaffer 1981

Although knowledge of the purported Josephine mine had come to Gale as early as 1969, after years of turns of events it wasn’t until Steve following up on a dream found his way up to Hoyt Peak area, and found the mine they would claim and name the Bear hole… 

It was some time in the year 1994 just 6 years after the passing of Gale Roy Rhoades and after Gale had last put his pen to paper and leaving his manuscript behind, Stephen B. Shaffer released his book about the Lost Josephine mine, Of Men and Gold. Until Steve, who has since passed as well, put his book out, many of those of the treasure world had never even heard of the Josephine of Hoyt Peak, or the Mine of the Utes, even though it had been well know several times in the past. Most had never heard of Thomas Rhoades and his son Caleb. Gale was the 3 times Great Grand son of Thomas Rhoades. 

The following information is based upon the best source material available that I am aware, I make no claim that any part of it is true and accurate as none of us knows the answer to that… I write the following to be of some sort of aid to those who will no doubt in the future attempt the same thing so many have tried before, to locate the true Josephine of the Garcia Waybill or Redotero. 

As it would seem, here we are some 30 years later and we are no wiser as to where the Josephine is, in fact it seems we now have 3 and still many don’t know what I am talking about. Now I don’t mean the Josephine of the Henrys or any other location other than Hoyt Peak, I’m talking about the two mines of the past thought to be the Josephine and the real Josephine. This is not to say that all three have not at one time in the days of the Spanish expeditions, that each had been considered the Josephine or perhaps the title refers to any of the Royal Mines named in honor the Empress Josephine of Martinique, a name which would not be known for well over 100 years since the mine was first known in Utah.  Just for notice the place the Empress was born in Martinique which was a small island in the Caribbean and at the time, was an integral part of the French Republic, yes… the Empress was French, not Spanish. Was Captain Garcia and his soldiers French or Spanish?

 

Kimball and the Slave Traders 1851 and Captain San Jose Pueblo 

It was 1851 when General Kimball arrested some Spaniards for slave trading in Utah and he being the first to learn from one of the arrested of the Lost Josephine. The Spaniard, San Jose Pueblo told General Kimball that many years prior he hauled ore from the mines found near the head waters of what was now known as the Provo River. Near as I can tell however the story made no headlines other than the court proceedings, as it seems that only some circles had ever heard about it. The early settlers in the Kamas valley knew well and good of the old worked out mine west of the valley but never knew the story behind it. That would all change in 1898 when William Bird and his son found an old mine up by Hoyt Peak, but was it the same mine that Gale and Steve have wrote about? From here on I will refer to that mine as the Hoyt Mine. As a result of William Birds discovery, General Kimball’s story is told, and I find it is the most credible of the documents used in this investigation along with the Garcia redotero.

From the Salt Lake Herald December 6th 1898; 

In the year 1842 there were four companies of Spaniard who came up into this country for the purpose of prospecting and mining. They called the river they were on the Tempe Nogas but this is now known as the Provo River.

 

These men had two mines which were located between the Provo and Weber rivers One of these they worked out and the white people who first discovered Kamas valley or what was called Rhodes valley In the early days found this exhausted producer which was situated on the west side of the valley about half way between the Provo and Weber rivers and when discovered tools of ancient make were round in its old workings.

 

The other mine and the one from which the Spaniards took the most gold was across the valley on the eastside and was situated on the ridgeback of what is now known as Hoyt’s Peak between the Provo river and the Weber The Weber was not named at that time but a man could stand on the ridge between the tunnel and shaft of what Is now called the Josephine mine and see the Tempe Nogas river now the Provo and also the unknown river [Santa Anna] now known as  the Weber. “The Spaniards” Mr. Kimball went on to say left the mines when they load secured all the gold they wanted heading for Mexico through the territory occupied by the Navajo Indians. The Indians were hostile and massacred the entire company with the exception of their captain who managed to make his escape The Spaniard who escaped was named San Jose Pueblo.

 

Pueblo made his way to Mexico where the Utah mines were recorded at Santa Fe and after remaining there for sometime made up a party for the purpose of returning here to reopen and work these old mines but upon his arrival finding the Mormon people here he concluded to abandon his project Instead of which he went into the business of buying young Indians for the Mexico slave trade.

 

 The United States government hearing of this ordered me, then deputy United States marshal to arrest the Spaniards which was done in the fall of 1851, and I had eight Spaniards under arrest and under my charge for It period of seven weeks who were charged with buying Indians for the purpose of taking them to Mexico to sell as slaves. The only one of the prisoners who could talk English was San Jose Pueblo and I spent considerable time in his company gaining his confidence and he told me a great deal regarding his gold mine above Kamas and all about the one which had been worked out.  The theory had been that the Spaniards closed and sealed their mines to hide them but San Jose Pueblo stated that their laws obliged them to conceal their good mines whenever they left them for any length of time. He also said that if this mine (the Josephine) was ever found the finders would find in its old workings a lot of tools powder etc which had been used in the working of the mine. He also said that this mine was a natural cave when first found and that it was very rich in gold in the bottom and that the property had been worked by them quite extensively, several cuts having been run from the cave in which large of gold ore had been uncovered on every hand the workings extending late the mountain until a depth of 600 or 700 feet below the surface had been attained. Pueblo also stated that an incline tunnel had been run in a westerly direction and that finding that this incline headed for an old shaft on the property the workings were extended until air connections were made. San Jose Pueblo also told me that he came to this country to mine with his father when he was a little boy but when I first aw him he was a man of at least 50 year which goes to show that the mines above Kamas had been worked for many years prior to the advent of the white man into this country.

 

San Jose no doubt was with the Garcia expedition, but he makes no mention of a cache being left behind…  if he was 50 years of age in 1851, he would have been a small boy in 1814 when Garcia left the Josephine as a result of hostile Indians. 

In the first portion of the previous article, it mentions a place where if you stand you can see the Weber river in one direction and the Provo river in the other. For those of you who have not been to Hoyt Peak formerly known as Hoyt’s Peak, if you were to stand between the Hoyt Mine and the Glory hole, there is no way in hell you could see the Provo river or the Weber, there is only two places that this can be the case and one location in my mind, clearly shows John Young’s first discovery location was NEAR WHERE HE BUILT his cabin? But it could also be one other location of which I have not yet ventured in this article.

 

William Bird 1889

It is said in the article of the Salt Lake Herald, October 25th 1889 states that that year William Bird found a mine by following the instruction of a map and drawing which was furnished them by others and as it would seem they knew its location was recorded in the archives of Santa Fe New Mexico.

It is further said that when they found it the entrance was “walled” up with rock, and making entrance that it was an incline of about 30 degrees and ran as far as a quarter of a mile being 1320 feet.... But… no mention of a wooden door!.. 

According to the Garcia redotero that would not be know for another 80 Years and according to its presumed author Captain Jose Joaquin Garcia, there was a treasure in the mine left behind a big wooden door located 46 varas from the mine opening and the treasure is said to be another 8 varas behind the door, this is approximately 150 feet from the opening of the mine! Where is the thick wooden door? I have been in that mine some 280 feet and I saw no evidence of a door nor a cave in as a result of an explosion which would not occur for another 41 years after the discovery by William Bird. Bird also makes mention of a presumed nearby shaft some 300 deep likely the Glory Hole.

Based on this information and other documents it would be my opinion that William Bird found the same mine, the Hoyt mine called the Josephine some 80 plus years later, the Hoyt mine which the Forrest Service bull dozed not many years ago. But was it the Josephine mine talked about in the Garcia Redotero? I don’t think so.

Keep in mind the Spaniard that Kimball arrested in 1851, likely never knew of the Garcia Redotero, and if he did he wasn’t going to tell about it, but I would however suspect he was a part of the Garcia expedition. William Bird although it is possible, likely never knew of the Garcia Redoterro either.

 

John Young 1939 

Some 40 years later after the Birds had apparently abandoned their efforts the story was revived again. I do not have the original source material for the following but I am taking it from the last manuscript of Gale Rhoades and I choose with some reservation, to take his word for it. John Young who was the grandson of good old Brigham Young, reported in about 1939 the following taken from manuscript…

“John and his twelve- year-old son, Keith were riding leisurely through the timber and up a small shallow canyon toward Hoyt Peak when, just before they reached the crest of a low pass on the northeast slope of the peak, a sudden thunderstorm let loose, sending John and Keith Young scouring for shelter under a protruding bush- like tree nestled against a small gray ledge. After the two had sat huddled up against the ledge and in the shelter of the small bush-like tree for a considerable amount of time, John turned to find that his son was no where to be seen and he called out for him, not once, but several times. The boy, hearing his father' s call, soon stuck his head out of a small nearby hole at the base of the ·ledge, and said, "Dad! There's a house down in here!" 


Now I do however question the accuracy of how they found the mine and would love to see the original source material, but keep in mind the last persons to occupy the mine, ASSUMING it is the Hoyt mine and the mine William Bird had found, would have been the Birds. Was there time enough for a bush to grow thick enough to conceal the mine opening in 40 years? Not likely although possible, did William Bird conceal the mine by closing it up again? Johns supposed record of events says he crawled through a small hole. So far I do suspect a bit of author liberties… the description he gives concerning the room just inside the mine is fairly accurate, however later he says that there was much evidence of donkey mule or horse manure and I am here to tell you that in that first room was NEVER a horse mule or donkey, the opening was hardly big enough for a man let alone a mule. And inside there was not as much room as you might think, immediately as you entered there was a very large rock on the left side of the room which seemed to work perfect for a table or shelf and not having much room on the right to pass by it with the mine tunnel continuing past it and to the south west then immediately turning west. Even if the doorway to the mine was big enough for horses, there was no room in that cavity you entered first. Also it was said the room ceiling was caked with smoke and soot, and the room I went into was a ceiling of rock which looked no different than the walls or tunnel rock. Johns remaining description of the tunnel is familiar but sounds like Gale describing the interior rather than John. Then his description comes to the door, now at that point which he describes a door, I am here to tell you was no door anywhere in that specific mine and no evidence of a door what so ever. I personally believe John was in another mine altogether at a different location other than the Hoyt mine.

The information provided in the manuscript suggests John thought he had found the lost Rhoades Mine and did not mention the Josephine, “perhaps and old Spanish mine” he said.

Reading the remainder of manuscript leads me to believe several liberties were taken to merge two stories of two different locations, I do not believe this was done intentionally to deceive anyone, I can very easily see how he would have believed the two locations were the same but it seems John Young knew of both and worked both locations. The mine he first describes in this manuscript cannot be the same mine he is later working which is no doubt the mine that William Bird found 40 years prior to Johns discovery. 

John Young in his later years account clearly had knowledge of the Hoyt mine, I just don’t see the evidence of a door that according to the Josephine redotero supposedly written by Captain Garcia in 1814, as being the same mines. 

Now this is not to say a wooden door in the mine does not exist, it just doesn’t exist according to the description found in the Garcia redotero. As it would seem there are two stories of an old wooden door being found down in the glory hole, one was found in John Young’s later years and described. According to the presumed later find and the description of the door found, the two doors cannot be one and the same, in fact the latter is likely much more ancient than the Spanish and we begin to see, that the reasons the Spanish were mining this area, is due to much older information handed down of which few would even think. 

Let the discovery of the old Roman coin in the glory hole be a clue. Yes it is possible it was dropped by some Spaniard, but let’s not dismiss the first possible conclusion. As an example, if you are familiar with the Lady of Elche Bust discovered in Elche Spain in 1897, just because the bust was found in Elche Spain, does not mean a non existent culture called Elchites or Iberians were responsible, in fact I will venture to say, when all is said and done… it will be discovered that the Lady of Elche bust was manufactured here in the west on this continent, and is not a rendition of a Lady… let the academics chew on that one for a while…

 

THE OLD UTE INDIAN 1960 

Within the manuscript is also told the story of the 103 year old White River Ute Indian who was brought to their camp situated on the South East side of Hoyt, by John McBee. Although the dates given or time frames don’t quite add up, regardless here is yet another believable account of  either the same mine at Hoyt of Gale and Steve, or the mine of John Young’s first discovery, where we still have a problem with a door.

The following is the story according to the manuscript; 

In about 1877, when he was only 12 years old, he was brought out to Hoyt Peak by his father and a band of warriors who were sent there, specifically, to kill a small group of Spaniards who had been found working an old gold mine.

 

The leader of the mining expedition, who was referred to as "Black Whiskers" by the Indians, had come from California with a group of Mexicans which he had either bought or stolen for the purpose of working them in this mine, using slave labor tactics. He had also managed to obtain a certain number of White River Reservation Indians which he, with the help of two other Spaniards, also forced to work the old mine. It was said that this Spaniard, called Black Whiskers, had learned the location of the old mine by researching old records and had come in there, with his Mexican and Indian slaves, to work the mine of its gold and silver.

 

Prior to the presence of Black Whiskers some of the reservation Indians had entered the old mine, peeled pure gold from its veins, and had taken the gold down to the Rhoades Valley Fort at Kamas where they had traded it for food, clothes and whatever else they may have needed.

 

But then Black Whiskers came out there with two other Spaniards and they forced the Mexicans and the Indians to work the mines, smelt the ore, and store up a large cache of gold and silver bars, which they stockpiled behind an old wooden door inside the mine. When he (the old Indian) and that delegated group of warriors arrived at Hoyt Peak in 1877, the miners were all down inside the mine working. A plan of attack was devised by the older men and he, being only 12 years old, was left a short distance behind, on the south side of a large rock, to hold the horses while his father and the others crept around the hillside and down through the timber to take positions less than 100 yards across from the old mine entrance to await the kill .

 

All during the afternoon the young Indian boy watched with anticipation, and when the miners finally began to emerge from a hard day's work from within the mine the warriors steadied their rifles and took careful aim. Moments later, when Black Whiskers and his two Spanish companions were in clear view, the signal was given, shots rang out, and the three Spaniards dropped to the ground in sudden death.

 

The Mexicans and the Indians were then released and sent on their way, to freedom. However, before leaving the area, the Mexicans were allowed by their Indian liberators enough time to bury the three slain Spaniards, as the Indians would not bury them after they had killed them. So the Mexicans, in three groups, carried the three dead men up the hillside to a spot above the mine, on the north side of the rock near where the horses had been held by the young Indian, and there buried them alongside their personal belongings, erecting a wood cross as their gravestone . [Why?]

 

Following the massacre and then the burial, the Indians told the Mexicans that they were free to leave and to return to their homes, but that, under no circumstances were they ever to return t o the old mine.

 

The Mexicans, of course, soon left the site of the old mine, but they were for a time secretly watched by the Indians who feared that the Mexicans might try to return for the cache of gold and silver stored within the mine. And, true to the suspicions of the Indians, the Mexicans returned after only a few days, where they loaded as much of the gold as they could carry on their pack animals and then rode off. As they rounded the hill, a short distance from the mine,  they were set upon by the very Indians who had freed them from their bondage, and the Mexicans were made to bury the gold in the very place where they were stopped - in the side of the sloping hill, not far from the old mine. When all the gold bars were covered, the Indians once again let the Mexicans go, but only with a stern warning that if they should return every one of them would meet certain death. The Mexicans then fled the area and they never did return.

Although I find the story as credible, I do have a few issues with it, one particular that stands out, why would the former captive slaves want to bury their oppressors, let alone carry them up the hill? If anything, I would have thrown them back in the mine and let them rot. Also the part about stockpiling gold and silver behind an old wooden door seems a bit odd and comes across as a convenient insert but as always, I could be wrong. 

Let me say at this time that an old wooden door found in an old Spanish mine would not be a unique occurrence, I am personal acquainted with at least 7 mines in the area all of which might be considered as the Josephine, depending on who has worked them in the past, and I would bet at least 3 of them have old wooden doors in them, but only one will match the description told in the Garcia redotero, if it is an authentic document. So far John Young’s description of the first mine fits nicely, except it is in the wrong place, just as is the Hoyt mine, this is not to say that either mine does not contain an old wooden door and a cache behind it. IF the story told by the Old Ute Indian is true as it was presented in the manuscript, then we potentially have TWO caches behind an old wooden door in two separate mines. Which could be highly possible.

 

The Old Maps

One of the most asinine things I ever heard a treasure hunter skeptic say about the treasure books is… "Have you ever noticed that all the maps fit on 8 X 11 paper?" I wonder if this Sherlock had ever made a copy a of 20 inch by 52 inch scroll….

 


A digital reproduction of an authentic map

 

Before any Spanish exploration began, the Captain would sketch (make a duplicate) a copy of the area he was going to, first a general area map was made, and then copied from a master map of that area, the master copy which was never intended to leave the archives, he would make a copy of the licensed area he was going to, having received permission of the King. These maps have shown up in all sizes, the smallest I have seen was made by Miguel Hidalgo about 5 by 9 inches and likely not a licensed expedition and the largest on goatskin probably about a foot and a half by 3 feet, and when it was copied it took 2 scan copies and of course it was then made into 3 sections the size of 8 X 11 so it could fit in a BOOK.

I saw a picture of a 4 Man Spanish cannon once… however I noticed that it must have been fake as it fit on a 17 inch computer screen…. Did I mention asinine? Moving on...


Lets start with the Pedro Nunez map of 1771 of which is likely from a licensed expedition but either they could not afford a good cartographer or he was killed along the way… who ever made this map was no cartographer, but sometimes as in this case they were very good at capturing other details not usually picked up on in cartographers maps.

I use this example for many reasons we will not go into, suffice it to say, I believe without doubt that this is an authentic map left behind by the dead. The right half of this map, representatives of Spain have expressed there sediments about letting a copy of it go from the archives, and there dismay about us having a copy of the left half, we call it the half map.

 


Pedro Nunez, Villa Vicerceo 1771

 

However I would like to draw your attention to a certain portion of the map, 


If you will notice the balloon with a mound drawn in it, this mound is meant to represent the peak or mountain of what we today call Hoyt Peak, and some may disagree… however everyone has a perspective and often different from others, notice the X above and behind the mound on the right? Also notice the X in front of the mound and on the right along the dotted line which is a trail that passes along the front of the mound on the south, the previous X is likely North East of the Peak, but it is the lower X that I believe the notation on the map has to do. “La Mine De Josephine Emporatria” This is near the location of John Young’s cabin built after his first discovery. Why would John who was very possessive and secretive about the mines location build his cabin where he could not see it over two hills and a half mile away? I believe Johns first discovered mine is “one of” the known Josephine mines, but it is not THEE Josephine of the Garcia redotero.

 

 The Garcia Map

This particular map is a hand drawn copy of the original, as I recall Steve told me it was found in the archives of Santa Fe, OR it came from the Garcia family whom he and Gale had tracked down at one time, neither of which I can confirm. However after seeing as many maps as I have, I have no reason to believe it is a forgery and there are certain things appearing customary of the master map which strongly implies its authentic origin and yes it does fit on an 8 X 11 piece of paper.

 



Aside from other features found on the map, there is one feature that was clearly duplicated and apparently without question. The theory of the skeptics is that Gale and or Steve would falsify their maps, Why, when so many of them have surfaced through the years? On this map unknowing I am sure to Steve and Gale is a notation that actually shows that the mine of the Garcia redotero was not the mine they so adamantly believed it to be as well as every other Tom, Dick and Gary.

I want very badly to show you this and compare step by step to the Garcia redotero, but I just can’t. well, ok some… I can however share it with that one individual who not only can take it to the next level but would put forth the effort to do so for the right reasons. Certain equipment must be had in order to validate what is already so plain… if you can put two and two together then so be it, but the answer to this part is this, if you want to know where this mine location truly is, read and read carefully… The true Josephine of the Garcia redotero is exactly where he said it is… and this map holds one of the best clues to support what Garcia said.

If you are familiar with Hoyt Peak area the maps and the many perspectives… read carefully the following in addition to the Garcia redotero.

Around 2002 or so I had just returned from a day up at Hoyt, checking directions and distances validating what I had already come to believe… being the skeptic that I can be, I just have to check and recheck, at this point I was looking for my validation… On my way home I stopped in Murray to visit a friend in a professional manner, in coming through the door he greeted me with a smile and a “Dan! What ya been up to?” He being a roadside treasure hunter knew of some of my research projects. I told him I had just spent the day up at Hoyt Peak checking details of an old Spanish mine… Looking slightly perplexed and as if I light just turned on, he asked me if Hoyt Peak was east of Kamas, I assured him that it was… then his eyes lit up and with excitement he said, I have a story to tell you! If I told you who his dad was you would understand why this was exciting to me as well… but I cannot…

He being not much older than I, said that when he was 10 years old and on his birthday, his dads Indian woman friend came to visit him, this would have been about 1965 or so. She told my friends dad that she has to speak with him and she began with saying how much she has appreciated the friendship he had shown her these many years, she said “in fact, you are the only real friend I have”…  she continued with “I want to tell you that many years ago, my grandfathers killed some Spaniards up near Hoyt Peak who were working an old mine sacred to the Native people, after the massacre it was placed upon my family to continuously keep the mine covered and hidden of which we have always faithfully done so and I have done for many years."  She said that she was getting to old to do this any more and no one in her family had any interest to continue, she said to him, "I want to give it to you."

The Indian woman drew her friend a map and gave him many details and she bid him her goodbye’s. Excited he went to his son, being my friend and asked him if he wanted to ride up to the top of a mountain with him, “sure!” he said and they packed up and headed up the next day… He told me the map lay on the seat between he and his dad, all the way up the mountain he only glancing at it from time to time, he said we drove around the south side of the bald Mountain called Hoyt Peak and around the east side turning westerly and at the end of the road not far below the peak they parked next to an old twisted pine tree on the edge of a ledge over looking to the North West a canyon valley of sort. There was a small pond down below and his dad took the map and stood at the edge of the ledge looking down, and then at the map, and then down again, and his dad raised his hand pointing down and in the distance and said its right down there! I bout fell out of the chair I was sitting in, and as he told me this I could see every step and I could plainly see his dad was pointing at the very spot I and a friend had previously discovered of which fits the redotero directions and description near perfectly… I had my validation. We previously had found the small BLACK ledge spoken of in the Garcia document, and confirming the little Indian woman’s story, someone had been keeping the small black ledge covered except where it broke surface in the bushes nearby. 

Now let’s take a closer look at the Garcia map and giving it a little credibility.

 



 Now the Garcia map has a unique feature that I am sure most everyone has overlooked, I didn’t notice it until I personally hiked into the area myself some 20 years ago. You will notice the river which stems southward from the Rio Santa Anna, (top of map is North) this is the South Fork drainage but at its end it does not show the tributaries or at least is not clear on this point. But remember that if you were making a map showing the drainages you would like Captain Garcia use the tributaries that were pertinent and where there was a water flow. Near the south end of what Garcia drew as South Fork of the Weber, there is a branch with the Weber continuing towards the mine X “Oro” however it is not shown. The tributary it would appear he chose to place on his map is Maxwell Creek and how do I know this? From the end of this tributary there is a gap where you see the word "la Mina" and then del Yutas... and the line continues in a westerly direction and shortly there after ending, why is this gap there? Did the river disappear? Well… yes it did…

On one of our first expeditions into the area we discovered that not far above the Maxwell creek junction with South Fork, the creek comes out of the ground with no contributing water source from above it. If you follow the Maxwell creek drainage up towards the Josephine, you will find where this very same creek drops underground in a sink hole surfacing again at the point previously mentioned. As it would seem Garcia noticed this as well as this can be the only explanation as the why the map has a gap in the creek. If you follow this creek from the sink hole to its origins, it leads to a spring which is not shown on any map and it runs all year round. From the point in which the water disappears into the sink hole to where in surfaces again is about 1500 yards. The spring which feeds this water source does not contribute to the small pond so many are familiar with in fact the USGS maps show that the pond drains to the North then meanders its way to eventually joining with Maxwell which it most certainly does not, in fact if and when water is flowing from that pond, it peters out and disappears and likely feeds the pond which is North of the small pond mentioned prior. Why is this all important? 

If you will notice, as per Garcia’s stroke of his pen, he marks the location of the Josephine of his redotero as being N/Westerly from where the sink hole would be. This is when my suspicions were confirmed ever since I first received and read a transcription of Men and Gold by Steve Shaffer and a year or so before it was published it. I knew when I read the redotero that the mine referred to as the Hoyt Mine, the Bird Mine, Bear Hole and many other titles is not the Josephine of the redotero and also not the mine in which John Young first described, but I did know it was the mine the little Indian woman describe and drew a map to and the Mine of the Garcia document.

This is also when I had a epiphany discovering a most important awakening of knowledge… Spaniards could not fly…  so why would Garcia make the distance to the mine 1600 varas if no one was going to walk it? You have to follow the trail and whether it is the new location I have just given or the Hoyt mine, both could be justified as 1600 Varas, depending on the course and it certainly is not perfect but only one of the locations falls into the description of NORTH EAST of the Peak.

Now to finish this up, Garcia was a Sea faring Captain, which would you think he would have been using for his bearing? Magnetic North or North Star? If he was using the North Star the new location is situated at approximately 40 degree from the peak, close enough to be considered N/E. The Hoyt mine would be at approximately 85 degrees resting between East and North by East. If he was using a compass and adjusting to the declination of today which really isn’t much different than in it was in 1800, the new location would be at about 27 degrees with the Hoyt mine at 72 degrees and N/E falling in the middle of the two but nearer to the new location. Which was intended? Or do we need to consider a new location? And the questions no one want to hear... Did Garcia make it back? and was he successful?

My hope is that you receive something from this if nothing more than enjoyment. 

Although I have several prospects, I am still looking for that perfect protégé, one who has the time, the money, the intelligence and inclination to take it all to the next level…. The hard part has been done, or has it, but in this day and age we have all sorts of new technologies of which I cannot seem to get my hands on and so I revert to further investigation… this particular project is still open to additional methods of validation aside from the new technologies… I just want to know the truth...